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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by izacus »

bitL wrote: post #44
icc97 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously think that Google is going to stop hiring white men? What is claimed sounds like a completely crass method. Whether you like Google or not they typically do things in a fairly data driven method even with their hiring. It is also blatant discrimination that as others claim would be fairly easy to prove in court. This would be stupid. For Google to be both crass and stupid seems unlikely.

Do you really want to work for a company where world-class work might not be that important for your career progress? Do you think a super talented high-achieving person with wrong gender/race should be expected to sacrifice their achievements for "common good" as defined by internal diversity officers? Do you think those diversity hires would be happy staying at junior positions and not pushing beyond their capabili…

Google does not look at race, gender or ethnicity when evaluating performance. You should figure that from the other whiny post here.

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Post by mlevental »

heisnotanalien wrote: post #93

What about if you are white working-class man? Is a middle-class black woman less privileged than a white working-class man? What about short versus tall people? What about beautiful versus ugly people? The halo effect is well-known. The whole thing is just absurd and dehumanising.

yes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/10/white...

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by shimon »

RandomCSGeek wrote: post #89
dragonwriter wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One thing I never understand is how people claim to support both equality and pro-minority/anti-majority actions at the same time. If you believe that the status quo is systematically biased, you cannot meanignfully support equality without supporting action to correct the bias.

There are two ways to nullify a problem. 1. Solve it 2. Create another problem in equal magnitude and opposite direction. Unfortunately, most countries/organisations seem to prefer second one, because it's easier and shows effect earlier, although over long period of time, it's going to be the worse one.

Do you believe it feasible for Google, or even a theoretical consortium of powerful companies like Google, to solve the gender, race, and socioeconomic inequalities in access to education and other resources that enable someone to work at such companies?

If yes, how?

If no, do you think it's better for them to attempt to compensate in a way that is feasible, or to do nothing?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by bitL »

xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

Consider deleting this post. You can be easily doxxed from your HN post history; it's not worth it.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by RandomCSGeek »

raldi wrote: post #116
RandomCSGeek wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if had 90% acid and 10% base in your storage, would you throw away most of the acid to get a neutral solution?

What's the real-world correlation to that analogy?

If you have 90% asian male/white male candidates, and 10% women/minority candidates, would you still remove most of asian/white male candidates to bring equality?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by colmvp »

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true:

> "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps."

Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry despite Japan, China, Korea, India, etc. being quite different from one another.

Then you look at industries where Asians are under-represented and you can read articles from actors like Steven Yeun who talk about how they rarely get offered roles and when they do, it's often for roles that stereotype their ethnicity. For example, I just watched Annihilation and the only Asian actor they had in it of course had a broken English accent despite the fact that in real life, the actor actually has a British accent.

Pull up an article on diversity in the U.S., and chances are if you search "Asian" in the article you'll get 0 results.

I've always looked up to tech because it's a realm where we Asians are judged by our skill level and output, not the color of our skin or how attractive we look. It's a realm that rewards people who study hard and work tirelessly to refine their craft. And so it's absolutely frustrating to hear that we're too successful and that people scale back our representation despite the fact that they never happens for us in other industries.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by [deleted] »

raldi wrote: post #90
RandomCSGeek wrote: post #63

One thing I never understand is how people claim to support both equality and pro-minority/anti-majority actions at the same time. It's like saying you support democracy and kim jong un.

If you're trying to to cook a PH-balanced dish, and it's currently too acidic, you'll discriminate in favor of adding high-PH ingredients, no?

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by gigatexal »

There has to be a way to use tech to anonymize vetting and hiring until the hired candidate shows up for work the next day. Phone interviews could be handled in such a way that gender can’t be determined say by using voice scramblers. Whiteboarding can be done in separate rooms with a digital whiteboard that evaluators see and where the candidate can ask questions but not be seen. Etc etc. or, or, people could stop being biased which as you get more educated you become less racist and biased and sexist I thought.

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Post by sincerely »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #73
gwbas1c wrote: post #55

I suspect that lawsuits like this will show that trying to artificially influence diversity through hiring practices is an incorrect approach. When I'm in a hiring position, it's not like we sit around a table and say, "we'd prefer the white male." We just don't have enough women and minorities in the hiring pool to begin with. The problem is that there aren't enough women and minorities entering our field. We just c…

I agree with you in general, but I'm curious how many would be "enough"?

"enough" of a specific demographic in this sort of discussion usually means "roughly proportionate to that group's percentage of the overall population". this belief is held most ardently by those who attribute the difference in outcomes to societal pressures (as opposed to inherent biological differences). of course this is mainly relevant in the context of an entire field or industry and not a specific company's workforce (although if the company is big enough the lines blur).

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by tomp »

lettergram wrote: post #103
izacus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.

Perhaps, but that user has been on HN since 2011 - not many posts though

Old social media accounts are available for sale exactly because they look more legitimate. (I'm just pointing a general fact, not that the user in question is a shill.)

I read an article describing the fenomenon, I can't find it now but there's plenty of interesting results if you search Google.

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