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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by JPKab »

2aa07e2 wrote: post #2

> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

I'm surprised that people still view Google as a cool place to work.

It seems to me that ship sailed years ago. They are a giant corporation reliant on one monopoly product to fund everything else.

Employees usually are stuck with some tiny part of a component in a system. The office perks are nice, but are you really going to do interesting work there anymore?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by emsy »

DanHulton wrote: post #32
Unkechaug wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt this single incident alone is the reason, but maybe the catalyst. Google and its unhealthy lust for diversity has been an increasingly frequent topic. Hell, someone got fired for posting an anti diversity rant last year. While his arguments were weak or flat out wrong, it's clear that Google is making a point to single out underrepresented minorities to the detriment of others who may actually be better candi…

I mean, if it's the same memo in thinking of, it wasn't a "diversity memo" he was fired over, it was a manifesto that has been reviewed and agreed on as sufficient cause for his dismissal several times now. In it, he argued that women were essentially worse at logical tasks than men, and further that this made them poor engineers. That's not a diversity memo, that's a sexist screed.

Agreed on by whom? Did you even read the memo yourself?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by boomboomsubban »

nugi wrote: post #25
organsnyder wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For any organization this size, assume that there is a fair amount of variance from one division to another.

I hold all organizations responsible for their own actions, reguardless of size. Too big to fail is a poor concept, logically, ethically.

This isn't too big to fail, it's "a bad egg doesn't ruin the bunch." Whether that's the case here is arguable, but no one is saying they aren't responsible for their actions.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by bitL »

icc97 wrote: post #17
2aa07e2 wrote: post #2

> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

Do you seriously think that Google is going to stop hiring white men? What is claimed sounds like a completely crass method. Whether you like Google or not they typically do things in a fairly data driven method even with their hiring. It is also blatant discrimination that as others claim would be fairly easy to prove in court. This would be stupid. For Google to be both crass and stupid seems unlikely.

Do you really want to work for a company where world-class work might not be that important for your career progress? Do you think a super talented high-achieving person with wrong gender/race should be expected to sacrifice their achievements for "common good" as defined by internal diversity officers? Do you think those diversity hires would be happy staying at junior positions and not pushing beyond their capabilities by non-merit related ways, not exploiting prevailing winds? I think second world countries would love to talk to you about how this turned out.

Obviously, interviews aren't that great indicator of success, especially in a company that tries to hire the best according to their criteria, so the overall medium-term effect might be small, but they do risk losing those people that could knock them out of the ring in the future, and making those people forever negative towards them. But maybe that's already taken into account and weighted in their internal decision tooling and they are fine with that.

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Post by ofirg »

DanHulton wrote: post #32
Unkechaug wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt this single incident alone is the reason, but maybe the catalyst. Google and its unhealthy lust for diversity has been an increasingly frequent topic. Hell, someone got fired for posting an anti diversity rant last year. While his arguments were weak or flat out wrong, it's clear that Google is making a point to single out underrepresented minorities to the detriment of others who may actually be better candi…

I mean, if it's the same memo in thinking of, it wasn't a "diversity memo" he was fired over, it was a manifesto that has been reviewed and agreed on as sufficient cause for his dismissal several times now. In it, he argued that women were essentially worse at logical tasks than men, and further that this made them poor engineers. That's not a diversity memo, that's a sexist screed.

That is not what the memo said. did you not read it or is this what you think the writer meant even if he did not actually write that but you have some kind of mind reading abilities?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by akvadrako »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #31
bitL wrote: post #24

So, if one starts injecting large quantities of melanin into skin, renaming themselves to Hispanic-sounding name and undergoing "private parts" surgery, would that give them super high chance of being employed by Google? I bet in the next 5 years this will be becoming pretty popular in Silicon Valley :D Life truly is either a comedy when viewed from outside, or tragedy, when viewed from inside :DDD

Why bother all those steps. Just claim that even though you look like a white male, you self-identify as a Hispanic lesbian, and if they reject you it's discriminatory.

To top it off being trans-sexual and trans-racial should get your placed into the most-victimised hiring pool.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by bitL »

whichdan wrote: post #36
bitL wrote: post #24

So, if one starts injecting large quantities of melanin into skin, renaming themselves to Hispanic-sounding name and undergoing "private parts" surgery, would that give them super high chance of being employed by Google? I bet in the next 5 years this will be becoming pretty popular in Silicon Valley :D Life truly is either a comedy when viewed from outside, or tragedy, when viewed from inside :DDD

Cut it out with the racist anti-trans bullshit.

> racist anti-trans bullshit.

Where do you see that? It's a simple optimization algorithm - if this is what it takes to get hired, people will do it, and it looks comical from outside.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by chronic193 »

rayiner wrote: post #23
hunta2097 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have recently left tenure at a large telecoms company in the UK. They definitely had a practice of encouraging female hires. Even if they weren't the best fit for the role. Don't get me wrong, I am not approaching this in a sexist way - on the contrary I have worked with excellent and poor colleagues of both sexes. I think it diminishes the accomplishments of genuinely great minority/female employees to have this p…

Except that’s not what we get right now. We have qualified women driven away from the profession because of all the unwanted attention and hurdles that come along wit being a minority at work. In my profession (corporate law) we get a balanced gender distribution of applicants at the entry level. But that’s because of aggressive efforts to recruit women, as well as lawsuits, in the 1980s and 1990s, to counteract the…

> We have qualified women driven away from the profession because of all the unwanted attention and hurdles that come along wit being a minority at work.

This should be treated at the harassment/legal level. Not at the interview level.

We should not lower the bar for females or "diversity" hires. I'm sorry, but with all this diversity encouragement bullshit, every black or female engineer I see, I automatically assume they aren't as smart as their male counterparts and were offered a job simply because of their gender or ethnicity. A large portion of silicon valley makes this same assumption.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by triplesec »

raducu wrote: post #34
hunta2097 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have recently left tenure at a large telecoms company in the UK. They definitely had a practice of encouraging female hires. Even if they weren't the best fit for the role. Don't get me wrong, I am not approaching this in a sexist way - on the contrary I have worked with excellent and poor colleagues of both sexes. I think it diminishes the accomplishments of genuinely great minority/female employees to have this p…

I've witnessed this at least twice in my career. Both cases by "women", the "diversity-promoting" manager actually meant "mid twenties attractive female". It makes me sick that people need to tip-toe on these issues and add the obligatory "not-sexist" appology to an obviously not-sexist text.

This is indeed a hidden problem in most of these conversations: you see in several fields an overabundance of good looking women, who have been hired by men for equality but over their probably (statistically on average) more qualified but less attractive sistren.
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