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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by whatyoucantsay »

danieltillett wrote: post #19

The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota. Not good for anyone. There are no easy solutions, but it wou…

> The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota.

The thing I hate about it is that it involves rejecting candidates on the basis of the colour of their skin.

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throwaway0255 wrote: post #158
danieltillett wrote: post #19

The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota. Not good for anyone. There are no easy solutions, but it wou…

Tell that to the white and asian males who get rejected on the basis of their race and gender despite having worked their entire lives to be the most qualified and technically adept candidate. I'm pretty sure impostor syndrome is a problem they would love to have. Instead they got the entire course of their careers (and lives) stepped on by bigoted racists and sexists. I know your comment has to be the top one becaus…

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Post by nine_k »

striking wrote: post #80
nine_k wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't the goals like that a mismanagement, to begin? Either state officially, like "we do racial profiling of candidates", if you in fact do, or, well, don't if you don't.

You can try to invite a wider audience to apply. Many firms just hire based on a short list of posh colleges and thus inherit whatever racial statistics apply to them. But it's possible to look for candidates of all kinds, to expand internship programs, to go to job fairs at inner-city colleges, and so on. That really only applies to junior personnel, though. I'm not sure what you would do for hiring more experienced…

This sure makes sense. Invite a wider audience, go an extra mile to reach those who could meet the requirements but prejudices or other adverse conditions make it hard for them.

This is an opposite to narrowing your audience, because certain people need not apply.

I mean, I think employers should be able to introduce whatever filters they need for the job requirements ("our dance group only accepts ladies with prior dancing experience, older than 18, and no shorter than 6ft".) But I'd like them to be open about these requirements.

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Post by Const-me »

spicymaki wrote: post #157
danieltillett wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn’t complain about being down voted. To answer your question the issue of discrimination is solved by not discriminating. If women and others are being discriminated against then stop doing this, rather than just start discriminating against other people.

I know this is not popular, but honestly how do you stop discrimination against women and others? It is easy to say “stop doing this,” but does that happen?

Blind hiring _might_ work: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/magazine/is-blind-hiring-...

To ignore gender this should be combined with gender-neutral voice processing for phone interviews, but it’s doable and not that hard.

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Post by bitL »

stcredzero wrote: post #166
bitL wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friend of mine had setup interview at Google London, he flew in, came into the office and they completely forgot about him! :D He was just sitting there for a few hours, then left.

In my youth, these things were simply not done. They were inexcusable. Now, people think nothing of blowing you off.

He was pretty furious; we talked before interview about how he should prepare, I gave him some puzzlers to solve, and after "interview" I was curious how did that go, and he was like: "they completely forgot about me!" :D He now works for their competitor.

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Post by ttoinou »

staunch wrote: post #14

I suspect Google, YouTube, YC, and many other Silicon Valley companies have followed a similar pattern: Step #1 Discriminate against the lower classes through a biased hiring process that favors upper class people over more qualified members of the 99%. A system of "culture" tests, nepotism, and simple favoritism. The "elite" investors fund the "elite" founders which hire "elite" friends. Step #2 Realize your policy…

Did you run a business that hired employees without biases, word of mouth, entry tests and friendly cronyism ? Show us the right path

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Post by Caveman_Coder »

guildenstern wrote: post #167
danieltillett wrote: post #19

The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota. Not good for anyone. There are no easy solutions, but it wou…

nevermind, hn is not the place for discussion of race.

1. Discrimination is bad.

2. Minorities have faced discrimination the most.

3. Let's discriminate against Whites/Asians to correct #2, even though we accept the truth of #1.

I don't get this thought process at all..."lets fight discrimination with more discrimination!"

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Post by ignoramceisblis »

ghostcluster wrote: post #61
ignoramceisblis wrote: post #23

Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…

Note, this lawsuit is being brought by former Google recruiters who say they were ordered to "purge" certain groups from the interview queue. > YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. I'd like to remind people of what Denise Young Smit…

What seems to be going on, I think, is largely a one-sided story. There are many people with bullhorns who speak, for whatever reasons, but who seem to go largely unchallenged. Whether that's due to unawareness, lack of critical thought, laziness, or perceived distance (e.g. "I think things are still fine with me; I can't or don't see how this could affect me."), I can't say for certain, but I imagine many people are affected by some combination of them all.

What I can say we do need more of, however, is well-engaged, open and honest discussion. Having leading voices speak your mind can be very good, but central figures can be fallible. A better solution would be to have input from humans in the "silent majority", whatever that might be.

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Post by Distant_horizon »

ransom1538 wrote: post #127
ilamont wrote: post #15

Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

What happens if you are 1/2 white and 1/2 Hispanic? Who is in charge determining race?

The US gov considers Hispanic an ethnicity, not a race. So if you don't consider yourself one of the 5 races (white, black, American Indian, Asian, Pacific Islander) then you'd select other.

Racial identity for Hispanics seems to be a complex personal decision.

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Post by spicymaki »

netheril96 wrote: post #108
neerkumar wrote: post #8

Anyone who has worked for a large tech company in SF in the last 3/4 years knows that this has happened everywhere. In fairness, Google was one of the very last ones among large tech companies to play the quota game. But the problem is that that's a game that once the first company starts playing it, everyone else is forced to play it too. Company X publishes a report with amazing diversity numbers and brands itself…

This starts with the [diversity pledge]( http://thehill.com/policy/technology/284517-white-house-pres... ) pushed by Obama administration, including companies like Airbnb, Box, GitHub, GoDaddy, Intel, Lyft, Medium. No wonder many Asians sigh relief when Clinton failed her presidency, or she surely would have pushed for more.

That is not accurate according to 2016 votes: http://aaldef.org/TheAsianAmericanVote2016-AALDEF.pdf 79% of Asians voted for Clinton.
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