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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by belltaco »

ausjke wrote: post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

>NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them.

False equivalency.

How do we encourage short people to grow taller? Or kids to grow up into a tall adult?

Coming to tech, it's possible to encourage people to work in STEM who otherwise may feel unwelcome due to various issues, including gender, age, race, workplace attitudes, glass ceilings etc. That includes trying to have role models that kids may want to emulate.

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Post by ghostcluster »

EGreg wrote: post #18
drwl wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's an equivalent relation. I wasn't able to read the article, but NBA representation has a lot to do with skill and performance.

So what? You seem to be assuming that Black people simply have more skill and performance than others. You do this in Basketball but not in other areas. Currently, hiring males for programming jobs is due to skill and performance, because far more men chose to go through this type of education than women. Huge numbers of men and women don't enjoy straining to grapple with abstract concepts for long stretches of time,…

So when the NBA hires for job qualifications like height, skill and performance, that's OK. But for tech positions they should actively discriminate against skilled applicants because maybe somebody else ought to do it?

The NBA is actively recruiting/training for elite talent in China: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/news/companies/china-nba-bas...

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Post by ignoramceisblis »

Did anyone not see this coming?

The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs.

Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"?

Or do you think that, maybe, we should judge people by who they are? The substantive characteristics that define an individual. Not a fantasy, not a PR story, but _who an individual is_.

We should all have the decency to look beyond the superficial traits of a person, to not make assumptions about their character, positive or negative, and to truly try to understand one another.

Blatant discrimination of such superficial features has no place in a healthy society, or one that wishes to become one. This arrogance, assumptions, and short-sighted thinking cost more than we can afford.

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Post by busterarm »

ignoramceisblis wrote: post #23

Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

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Post by vkou »

ignoramceisblis wrote: post #23

Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…

> Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"?

We already do, through systemic biases.

Sadly, as the downvotes indicate, reminding people of their privilege seems to be an unpopular thing.

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Post by majos »

ausjke wrote: post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

Do you really think there are young people in the US who could be NBA players but are held back by lack of resources, lack of training, and lack of friends/family members who play basketball? I think that's a key difference between the "diversity problem" in the NBA and the diversity problem (no scare quotes) in tech.

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Post by smallnamespace »

belltaco wrote: post #21
ausjke wrote: post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

>NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. False equivalency. How do we encourage short people to grow taller? Or kids to grow up into a tall adult? Coming to tech, it's possible to encourage people to work in STEM who otherwise may feel unwelcome due to various issues, including gender, age, race, workplace attitudes, glass ceilings etc. That includes trying to have role models that kids ma…

Wait, so the majority of tall athletic people are black men? What is the actual argument here?

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Post by malvosenior »

I suppose these white and asian men are better off not being employed by a sexist and racist company. Even if they got in the door who's to say that "no raises for white/asian men" isn't the next step (if that policy isn't already in place).

I hope Google gets raked over the coals for this though. Not only are they hurting these men (and their families -- if they have them) but they're also hurting women. What man wants to be an "ally" to the women in tech movement when that movement's goal is to put them out of work? This is just going to create more hostility between people who should be working together, not at war with each other.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by arkona »

belltaco wrote: post #21
ausjke wrote: post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

>NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. False equivalency. How do we encourage short people to grow taller? Or kids to grow up into a tall adult? Coming to tech, it's possible to encourage people to work in STEM who otherwise may feel unwelcome due to various issues, including gender, age, race, workplace attitudes, glass ceilings etc. That includes trying to have role models that kids ma…

It is not at all a false equivalency. How do we encourage artistically oriented people to be more mathematical? How do we change ESFJ into INTP? How do we increase IQ?

Just hecause certain traits are mental rather than physical doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

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Post by nova22033 »

tachyoff wrote: post #13

I’m not a lawyer, so I’m curious (and I can’t read the article): are quotas legal? Irrespective of their efficacy or morality, they must’ve held up in court, right? I thought it was fairly obvious that organizations have minority quotas. Then again, I also know that discrimination against ANY gender and ANY skin color (including male and white) is illegal, which was born out recently when Google’s decision to fire a…

relevant part of the item linked

Employers are allowed to undertake initiatives to promote diversity hiring, employment lawyers say. But under Title VII, the federal antidiscrimination law, employers aren’t allowed to make hiring decisions based on race and gender among other protected classes. That means they can’t employ practices like hiring quotas based on race or only hiring one type of minority candidate, attorneys say. Such practices would also run afoul of California laws.

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