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California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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I don’t think you remember Nixon and Reagan, or when the OC was a conservative bastion.

"OC was a conservative bastion" is very, very different from claiming "not long ago, California (overall) was red". Without looking it up: when do you think was the most recent time that Republicans controlled both houses of the Legislature?

"...the most recent time that Republicans controlled both houses of the Legislature"

I looked it up.

The answer?

1970. And that just 1 2-year term and with bare single-seat majorities in both houses.

Before 1969? Next most recent: 1956.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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post #185

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They're moving in part because CA continues to push out businesses that require unskilled labor, through a combination of taxes, minimum wage hikes, regulations, and other roadblocks. Generally it's dressed up as a Good Thing, but I'm not so sure. CA has the highest poverty rates in the country, along with the highest taxes. SF is rich as all hell, but can't keep feces and needles from littering the sidewalks or car…

>CA has the highest poverty rates in the country By what metric? looking at the census data, it appears the poverty rate of California, while not great, is certainly not the worst. https://www.census.gov/data-tools/demo/saipe/saipe.html?s_ap...

Census bureau, factoring in cost of living.

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/jan/20/...

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Since agriculture uses the bulk of water, it is a matter of allocation and proper pricing. California’s is a knowledge-based economy—Agriculture contributes but a small percentage to it (about 2%). Why should we restrict the number of productive people who can live in the state in favor of crops? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California

There is the small issue of those productive people needing to eat...

California exports a lot of food, including to other countries. It does not need to have excess food supply given its economic structure.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

I'm surprised this isn't covered more, but this talk of boosting 'affordable', actually government subsidized housing as a solution doesn't seem like an actual solution to me either. how many middle class families are going to register with a government entity, stay under low yearly income limits to 'qualify' for affordable housing? number of kids you have in your family is factored in as well...becoming a metric tha…

Your right. I never said anything about subsidized housing. We just need vastly more supply of market rate housing to bring it down to a level where it's cost effective enough for everyone

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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post #150

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Here in Southern California, we are running out of room for housing. You can basically drive all the way from San Diego to Santa Barbara, or from the coast to about a 100 miles inland and it's all city. Unless you are going to tear down existing housing and rebuild with more high density housing which is just cost prohibitive. I figure at some point availability of water will become the limiting factor.

Since agriculture uses the bulk of water, it is a matter of allocation and proper pricing. California’s is a knowledge-based economy—Agriculture contributes but a small percentage to it (about 2%). Why should we restrict the number of productive people who can live in the state in favor of crops? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California

There's an absurd number of crops that would effectively disappear from American (and probably even global) diets if California started to downsize its agriculture. The Central Valley is very unique in having both fertile soil and year-round reasonably-temperate weather. That's a resource which - if anything - ought to be prioritized and expanded to as high of a degree as possible.

Water is quite literally the only issue, and it's a very recent one. It's also an easy one to solve: follow Israel's lead and build desalinization plants up the wazoo. That, or pray that we mountain folks keep getting decent winters to sustain the summers. Pushing ranching (which is disproportionately-water-intensive) out-of-state is another option, as is figuring out ways to reduce ranching's water impact.

As for the low proportion of California's economy to which agriculture contributes, it's worth remembering that agriculture doesn't exactly have high margins. California's farms in particular are also heavily staffed with undocumented labor (which I reckon will skew a lot of data in all sorts of crazy directions).

Put simply: crops ain't the problem, and scapegoating the "dumb and dirty" farmers was already a tired trope five years ago, let alone now.

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That's pretty shortsighted. You still have to live in those areas, raise kids in those areas, and pay taxes in those areas. Why wouldn't you consider the local politics?

...you'd be able to send your kids to a better school. And your kids would be better off. California has some of the worst public schools in the country. In a red state you could send your kid to private school or afford a house in the best school districts.

http://school-ratings.com/counties/San_Mateo.html?type=&rank...

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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post #212

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There is the small issue of those productive people needing to eat...

California exports a lot of food, including to other countries. It does not need to have excess food supply given its economic structure.

California exporting a lot of food is a great thing. How about instead of destroying a major source of food, people simply move away from California?

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#228
post #83

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No, it was not at all clear and still isn't, even after the comment has been edited. If Californians want to move to Texas and bring their fiscal ideas with them, tough luck! You get to decide where and how you live. I get to decide where and how I live. This is freedom.

> If Californians want to move to Texas and bring their fiscal ideas with them, tough luck! > You get to decide where and how you live. I get to decide where and how I live. This is freedom. And I also get to decide to ask you not to do something, just as you get to decide on whether or not to vote for it. Freedom works both ways, not just only for one group. I hope I made my edit more clear, sorry about that.

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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post #227

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California exports a lot of food, including to other countries. It does not need to have excess food supply given its economic structure.

California exporting a lot of food is a great thing. How about instead of destroying a major source of food, people simply move away from California?

The world has an excessive amount of food production capacity. That is why all the subsidies many governments give to prop up their farmers.

I thought a key American ideal is freedom. Why would you want to restrict people’s freedom and only give the privilege only to the few who just happen to be born early enough to get property there? (Even some California native sons and daughters cannot afford to buy a home in their own home city.)

By the way, flippant answers are not appreciated. Consider reading more about the topics before giving thoughtful answers?

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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...you'd be able to send your kids to a better school. And your kids would be better off. California has some of the worst public schools in the country. In a red state you could send your kid to private school or afford a house in the best school districts.

http://school-ratings.com/counties/San_Mateo.html?type=&rank...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/05/california-schools-ea...

California has some great schools, but in those districts you’ll pay a huge premium. For example Sunnyvale homes are 1mil more than East Palo Alto homes.

So you either end up paying for private school. Or pay the same amount more for a more expensive home.

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