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Post by KallDrexx »

AlphaWeaver wrote: post #159
dopeboy wrote: post #96

Spotify is the reason why I don't pirate music anymore. I say this as someone who used to be involved in the scene (low level FXP couriering in the late 90s and early 00s) and has gigs of release from the RNS, EGO, etc days. It's much faster and convenient to use Spotify. I also think they cracked music discovery. Their discovery weekly playlist is stellar. My only wish is they'd get off Electron (EDIT Chromium - tha…

Really? My only experience with Discover Weekly (and any other suggestion algorithms, i.e. radios, etc...) has been pretty terrible... It doesn't seem to suggest songs I like at all, and recently it seized upon one single song in one of my playlist and only plays covers of that song and the other songs in the album for my discover weekly for the past several weeks... I love Spotify, but I use Pandora sometimes _exclu…

This is my experience with Discover Weekly as well. Everyone seems to be really divided on how well their algorithms work, they either work really well or terribly. I think it's because the quality of signals their algorithm can key off of is so limited due to it being such a passive medium.

There's no way to know if I listened to that track in full because I liked it or because I had it on in the background while doing other work and it wasn't distracting enough (usually the latter is the case for me). Furthermore if I skip a track they don't know if I skipped it because I didn't like it or I wasn't in the mood for that style of music, or I was just sick of that song cause I've heard it enough in the past X listens.

There's no way to easily signal to spotify why I'm taking an action, and yet their algorithms are trying to make assumptions over every little action.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by falkenb0t »

AlphaWeaver wrote: post #159
dopeboy wrote: post #96

Spotify is the reason why I don't pirate music anymore. I say this as someone who used to be involved in the scene (low level FXP couriering in the late 90s and early 00s) and has gigs of release from the RNS, EGO, etc days. It's much faster and convenient to use Spotify. I also think they cracked music discovery. Their discovery weekly playlist is stellar. My only wish is they'd get off Electron (EDIT Chromium - tha…

Really? My only experience with Discover Weekly (and any other suggestion algorithms, i.e. radios, etc...) has been pretty terrible... It doesn't seem to suggest songs I like at all, and recently it seized upon one single song in one of my playlist and only plays covers of that song and the other songs in the album for my discover weekly for the past several weeks... I love Spotify, but I use Pandora sometimes _exclu…

Anecdotal but mine have been pretty great. Of course there are songs that I'm not a fan of but for the most part its recommendations have been spot on.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by Trundle »

Analemma_ wrote: post #33
jonknee wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spotify might overprice it just because, hey, why not, they get more money and without underwriters there are no clients to disappoint Spotify isn't pricing it, they aren't even selling shares. The initial pricing will come directly out of the order book whenever it lists. It's really unusual. Read the plan of distribution section: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1639920/000119312518...

Presumably they'll still have an initial Ask price though? Unless I'm misunderstanding something.

If Spotify isn't selling, how would an initial ask price work?

"We'll give you a share for $20"

"I'll take it!"

"No, we're not selling"

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Post by jqbx_jason »

AlphaWeaver wrote: post #159
dopeboy wrote: post #96

Spotify is the reason why I don't pirate music anymore. I say this as someone who used to be involved in the scene (low level FXP couriering in the late 90s and early 00s) and has gigs of release from the RNS, EGO, etc days. It's much faster and convenient to use Spotify. I also think they cracked music discovery. Their discovery weekly playlist is stellar. My only wish is they'd get off Electron (EDIT Chromium - tha…

Really? My only experience with Discover Weekly (and any other suggestion algorithms, i.e. radios, etc...) has been pretty terrible... It doesn't seem to suggest songs I like at all, and recently it seized upon one single song in one of my playlist and only plays covers of that song and the other songs in the album for my discover weekly for the past several weeks... I love Spotify, but I use Pandora sometimes _exclu…

I posted this earlier but it got buried: I had the same experience as you and built JQBX[1] to mix it up. It's kind of like Pandora (it's a lot like turntable.fm if you ever used that) but it's user generated so you tend to get more obscure / timely recommendations.

[1] https://www.jqbx.fm

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jonknee wrote: post #131
toomuchtodo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Going public”, not gone public. Dropbox, Spotify, Blue Apron, Cloudera, Twilio, Uber (expected) are not profitable.

What's your point? Blue Apron, Cloudera and Twilio have gone public already... Financials are secret until filing for an IPO and at any given point there are not many companies (tech or otherwise) who have filed, but not yet listed. We don't know who's profitable or who will go public, so the best we can go off of is past history.

Going public is not success if you’re hemorrhaging money. You’re just a pyramid scheme with better marketing, not a profitable business worthy of public investment. That’s my point.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by shkkmo »

prostoalex wrote: post #71
Analemma_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably they'll still have an initial Ask price though? Unless I'm misunderstanding something.

Sounds like the company won't. Whoever places the first sell order on the exchange will get to determine the ask price.

I would guess that without an established price there will be a very large buy-sell spread to start that will eventually converge at a price as people lower their sell bids and raise their buy bids.

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Post by gafasRotas »

oxymoron wrote: post #167
spyspy wrote: post #154

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This probably just means that more people are using family plans instead of paying individually. I'm part of a family plan, as are pretty my everyone else I know. It only makes sense. The upside is that canceling a family plan is much harder than a single one just due to the increased number of people involved who'll be inconvenienced.

It may also mean that they’ve expanded the user base in countries that have lower purchasing power than western europe, and thus probably lower pricing. That’s surely a good thing?

Can confirm. Countries in Latin America are getting plans for the equivalent of $1.5

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Post by garagemc2 »

jqbx_jason wrote: post #174
AlphaWeaver wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? My only experience with Discover Weekly (and any other suggestion algorithms, i.e. radios, etc...) has been pretty terrible... It doesn't seem to suggest songs I like at all, and recently it seized upon one single song in one of my playlist and only plays covers of that song and the other songs in the album for my discover weekly for the past several weeks... I love Spotify, but I use Pandora sometimes _exclu…

I posted this earlier but it got buried: I had the same experience as you and built JQBX[1] to mix it up. It's kind of like Pandora (it's a lot like turntable.fm if you ever used that) but it's user generated so you tend to get more obscure / timely recommendations. [1] https://www.jqbx.fm

wow kinda reminds me of groovesharks dj feature, missed that.

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Post by bloudermilk »

peapicker wrote: post #162
pyronite wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a Spotify lifer until I butted up against their 10,000 song limit. [1] Now, I'm using Google Play Music. There's no doubt in my mind that everything else outside of this limit is better on Spotify. Please, Spotify, fix this! Let me help inflate your valuation! 1. https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/Library-Song-Limit...

I believe playlists don't count as library (please correct me if I'm wrong) - so you can effectively surpass the 10,000 as a limit by adding songs to playlists instead of the library. I've actually changed my model primarily around playlists and don't actually use the library feature of spotify hardly at all.

This is true, but IMO it's not a great replacement. I imported my old Rdio library this way and it's effectively useless. I've had to become a playlist-first user as well, but boy I miss having a browsable catalog of all "my music"...
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