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Post by gonehome »

cheeze wrote: post #107
tomhschmidt wrote: post #85

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+1. Ability to upload music on Google Play Music is also keeping me from switching to Spotify. I have a lot of tracks that simply aren't in the Spotify catalog. If they add that, I'd switch tomorrow.

I'm blown away that the solution for this has been the shitty "local playlist sync" solution for years at this point. I guess I'm in a niche? For me, there are tons of hiphop mixtapes that will never be on Spotify that I definitely need in my music player of choice. Hell, Spotify won't even let me import local MP3 files from my phone!

I just stopped listening to music that doesn't exist in Spotify.

I fought it for a while with local playlist syncing and such, but just wasn't worth it over time. There's enough other music out there that I gave up trying.

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Post by spiralganglion »

LudoA wrote: post #112
pyronite wrote: post #66

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I was a Spotify lifer until I butted up against their 10,000 song limit. [1] Now, I'm using Google Play Music. There's no doubt in my mind that everything else outside of this limit is better on Spotify. Please, Spotify, fix this! Let me help inflate your valuation! 1. https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/Library-Song-Limit...

10K songs is limiting to you?! Wow, how/for what do you use Spotify? At a (low!) estimate of 4 minutes per song, if you listen to Spotify for 3hrs/day, it would still take you 222 days to listen to all of them once. Is this a form of data hoarding? If not, how do you use that many songs?

10K songs is restrictive when it comes to digital music collections.

I have 15k songs in my iTunes library, and that doesn't include the music I listen to via Apple Music and SoundCloud. Given that I've been building up this music collection for about two decades now, there's quite a bit of stuff in the long tail, though I do listen to near all of it over the span of a few years.

If Spotify want to be around for another decade, I think it's reasonable that they let people build up a respectable library.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by Erwin »

p1esk wrote: post #119
stochastic_monk wrote: post #87

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I use Tidal more often because it has higher quality audio most of the time and a better UI, but fall back to Spotify prn. The emphasis on original music is nice. I subscribe to both because one is not a subset of the other, which I dislike. But hey, it’s been great, and I’ve actually found new music I love on Spotify/Tidal, unlike every other platform which has attempted recommendations.

Can you tell audio quality of Spotify vs Tidal in a blind test?

I spent several months alternating between Tidal HIFI and Spotify to see if I could difference on my Sennheiser HD800S and the Chord Mojo DAC and couldn't. I also tried the "Tidal Masters". It wasn't some complex blind test though.

In the end, Spotify's content discovery was worth more to me, but if they finally release some lossless version for twice the price, I'll be happy to subscribe. Even at that price, one month of Spotify is stil cheaper than the first R.E.M CD I bought in 1991.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by spyspy »

malshe wrote: post #116

A key metric not mentioned in the comments is premium average revenue per user (ARPU). It's consistently decreasing over the last 3 years: 2015: € 6.84 2016: € 6.20 (9% decline) 2017: € 5.32 (14% decline) Also, the number of hours consumed per MAU as of December of each year is also increasing. I should have taken the average over the year for both but I am interested in the trend. 2015: 191 hours per year (17.4 bill…

This probably just means that more people are using family plans instead of paying individually. I'm part of a family plan, as are pretty my everyone else I know. It only makes sense. The upside is that canceling a family plan is much harder than a single one just due to the increased number of people involved who'll be inconvenienced.

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Post by gonehome »

Lewton wrote: post #74
apeace wrote: post #64

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You listed the killer features of Google Music for me: no Youtube ads, auto-pay my favorite Youtubers, and upload my own albums. Also the Youtube Music app. I've found their catalog to be really complete, I've rarely not been able to find something specific I'm looking for. Only advantage I'm hearing from Spotify music users is that the algorithmic selections sound really good. Meh, I put in about an hour a month of…

I don’t think it’s possible to really understand how great Spotify’s algorithm is until you’ve experienced it recommending a fantastic song, and you go check the artist out, notice they have less than ten thousand plays and have only released two songs Idk how that’s even possible but it happens once a month for me

I read it's based on human curation - this is the clever part.

If you have songs in your playlist that someone else has in their playlist it'll find a song in that other playlist that you don't have. Offload the complexity of matching to humans already doing it.

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Post by indescions_2018 »

steve-benjamins wrote: post #4

I really hope Spotify succeeds. I've mentioned this before on Hacker News, but as an artist, the algorithmic playlists are amazing. On a good week I get ~4,000 new listeners. It's incredible. Discovery Weekly drives the most but Release Radar and Radio also send a good chunk. Apple Music on the hand hasn't even verified my artist profile— which I need in order to view analytics. So I don't even know if people listen…

One of Spotify's engineering managers provided some details on the Discover Weekly implementation.

From Idea to Execution: Spotify's Discover Weekly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A259Yo8hBRs

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Post by throw1257 »

Is anyone going to actually invest? If so, I am curious why. Seems that all recent tech IPO are spectacular fails. And spotify itself does not excite me that much

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Post by dna_polymerase »

debt wrote: post #102
extr wrote: post #59

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I've said it before, but Spotify is the single most valuable subscription service I pay for. Video streaming is convenient, but some of the music I've come across on Spotify has literally changed my life and that would never have happened if I was still forced to torrent everything. It's just so easy, it's everything they said the steaming model would be.

I feel this way about Soundcloud.

The subscription service of Soundcloud? Really?

I am a Soundcloud Go+ (or whatever their premium tier is called by now) subscriber, and it is the worst. They don't have the same catalogue available like Spotify, the alogrithm constantly shows me outright garbage (young aspiring musicians? More like 15 year olds with a mic in the basement) and their app... I don't know how a company that old can have an Android app that is so shitty. It even misses the subscription status and won't let me play my collection, even when 2 minutes earlier (and later) it all worked (works) fine.

Can't wait to end my subscription there and move to Spotify/Apple Music.

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Post by AlphaWeaver »

dopeboy wrote: post #96

Spotify is the reason why I don't pirate music anymore. I say this as someone who used to be involved in the scene (low level FXP couriering in the late 90s and early 00s) and has gigs of release from the RNS, EGO, etc days. It's much faster and convenient to use Spotify. I also think they cracked music discovery. Their discovery weekly playlist is stellar. My only wish is they'd get off Electron (EDIT Chromium - tha…

Really? My only experience with Discover Weekly (and any other suggestion algorithms, i.e. radios, etc...) has been pretty terrible... It doesn't seem to suggest songs I like at all, and recently it seized upon one single song in one of my playlist and only plays covers of that song and the other songs in the album for my discover weekly for the past several weeks...

I love Spotify, but I use Pandora sometimes _exclusively_ for music discovery, and then add to my Spotify.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

LudoA wrote: post #112
pyronite wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a Spotify lifer until I butted up against their 10,000 song limit. [1] Now, I'm using Google Play Music. There's no doubt in my mind that everything else outside of this limit is better on Spotify. Please, Spotify, fix this! Let me help inflate your valuation! 1. https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/Library-Song-Limit...

10K songs is limiting to you?! Wow, how/for what do you use Spotify? At a (low!) estimate of 4 minutes per song, if you listen to Spotify for 3hrs/day, it would still take you 222 days to listen to all of them once. Is this a form of data hoarding? If not, how do you use that many songs?

Sometimes I just want to remember stuff for years later. 222 days to listen to songs sounds like a long time, but not if you spread it over 20 years.
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