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Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by detaro »

coldtea wrote: post #141
detaro wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A group thriving does not mean it didn't do damage to (former) members or others while doing so, and neither should "but look at what we achieved!" be a good excuse for it. (of course, groups also can have written rules and still behave badly, rules do not automatically solve these problems)

On the other hand, a group having a list doesn't mean it wont do damage to members or others while having one. So there's that.

Yes, that's what the last part of my comment said.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by voidr »

imsofuture wrote: post #150
voidr wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This CoC can be summarized as "don't be a jerk to other people" That is true if in your world saying or writing the following is being a jerk: - hug , - smoking is bad for you, you should eat healthier food, I think that food is disgusting - men have higher testosterone levels All of these violate their CoC. If all they wanted is a CoC that says "don't be a jerk" then they would have put that into their CoC and not…

Writing "hug" won't get you banned from a technical community. Grow up and realize that context is important.

> Writing "hug" won't get you banned from a technical community.

Then why did they explicitly put that into their CoC?

> Grow up and realize that context is important.

I think I'm going to stop here, because I don't like arguing with people who use condescending language to hide the fact that they don't have an argument.

It is obvious that no matter what specific part of the CoC I will point out, you will defend it by poisoning the well, no matter how wrong it is.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by 2trill2spill »

ygaf wrote: post #149
2trill2spill wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the other hand the language in the CoC itself is evidence that it comes from busybodies. And just what evidence is that? You inferring something is not evidence.

Normal people don't rewrite "harassment" in a CoC as "reinforcing systemic oppression". (They might a few years from now) In fairness, FreeBSD say at the end they lifted material from another CoC (geekfeminism), although looking at it ( http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment... ) it's actually all on FreeBSD.

Is there a definition of "normal people" that says they don't write "reinforcing systemic oppression" or is that you asserting your opinion as fact, again?

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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Post by bryson »

Caveman_Coder wrote: post #90
jacobian wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you have some standards of behavior, though, right? If a member of your group, say, punched another member, you’d probably kick him out, right? If so: you have a code of conduct, you just don’t have a _written_ code of conduct. You’re relying on the relative homogeneity and shared context of the group to know and follow the unwritten rules. This tends to work ok for smaller more homogenous groups with shared…

I think that is a fair point. Our group is relatively homogeneous in our interest in HAM radio (and there aren't that many of us), so when we find others that share the same interest, perhaps we're more likely to overlook any political/religious/racial differences...

Just FYI, "ham" isn't an acronym and shouldn't be capitalized. It comes from the pejorative "ham-fisted", which professional telegraph operators used to describe radio amateurs back when the only option was morse code. (Source: I have a general license, like trivia, and am a pedant for better or worse.)
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