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Studies are increasingly clear: Uber, Lyft congest cities

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Re: Studies are increasingly clear: Uber, Lyft congest cities

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Moving out to the suburbs when you have kids is a tragedy? That’s some serious first world definition of tragedy.

I think they mean that blocking problems that would prevent the implementation of their favorite policy are the tragedies. Public transport does not work, and this is just one more reason why. Every few years the police feels the need to spend a month or two catching pickpockets (or worse) on public transport. Train stations in all the big cities are hotbeds of criminal activity. That is a major problem that is not,…

> Public transport does not work, and this is just one more reason why.

For whom? Works surprisingly well for my family aside from the 23 going from Manhattan into Brooklyn on the weekends.

Re: Studies are increasingly clear: Uber, Lyft congest cities

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> Do you have an idea for how to stop people from acting maliciously? Yes,cultural homogeneity results in lower overall levels of malicious actors and free riders. However, in the USA the only way to get such homogeneity is to (a) wait a long time for communications and migration to turn soften differences or (b) create a culture out of whole cloth, and use propaganda to spread it to the young.

Oof, upvote because that might actually work but I feel like that is the type of idea that will get you damore'd [0] on the west cost. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=16410740&goto=threads%...

I don't really support that solution however. I am the sort to allow for freedom at the cost of safety in most cases.

Re: Studies are increasingly clear: Uber, Lyft congest cities

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> I'm having a hard time seeing how my use of ridesharing services instead of driving myself could increase traffic I don't think it does; your use is in line with the rideshare operators' claims as to why traffic should go down given their service: that it makes it easier for people to not own a car, and that consequently while some of their trips will be ride share, they might be shared, and others will be more lik…

Makes sense. I mean, I say that it was totally impractical to not have a car and live in silicon valley before the rise of the ridesharing services; but I know a guy who did it. He had a bicycle and just always lived near work and a grocery store. Come to think of it, he now uses a rideshare service a lot more often than he bummed rides before, so ridesharing has increased his automobile usage. maybe there were just…

Yes, I should say: I live in Washington, DC, where not having a car is super doable. I know there are studies here that show this effect, and in NYC where car ownership was already rare it's even more pronounced. Overall I suspect that it's much stronger in these places, or in Boston (the subject of the article) than in SV; these are cities with robust transit systems designed before the advent of the personal car.

Re: Studies are increasingly clear: Uber, Lyft congest cities

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post #106

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except that most of those trips are pooled; the grocery picker (I use amazon fresh, but have used the Safeway delivery in the past, but the same idea applies to both... the insticart model may be different, but I haven't used them.) makes a bunch of deliveries in one trip. That should be lots more efficient than me driving to the store and back for just my groceries. Same with taking one of the pool mode rideshares t…

the grocery picker... makes a bunch of deliveries in one trip That would mean that the customer who is the farthest along the delivery route had better not bought any perishables like ice cream or rotisserie chicken. In actual practice, that model doesn't work for anything but dry goods... which means somebody is making an additional trip yet for temperature-critical perishables. Webvan crashed and burned partly beca…

>In actual practice, that model doesn't work for anything but dry goods... which means somebody is making an additional trip yet for temperature-critical perishables.

Safeway uses a refrigerated van

Amazon fresh packs produce with ice packs in a bubble wrap cooler inside a paper bag; frozen things get dry ice; I've ordered ice cream 'unattented delivery' (where they leave it outside my door) and it can go hours without harm.

(Amazon fresh uses a whole lot of packing material, which is another problem... but point being, they've solved the 'food melts on the way to your house' problem)

Re: Studies are increasingly clear: Uber, Lyft congest cities

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There are many suburban areas where walking is difficult/dangerous (little to no cross walks, multi-lane roads, high traffic speeds, inattentive drivers, etc.), biking is often possible but many don't feel comfortable or safe and in other places the weather can pose a challenge many month of the year. Buses are slow, expensive and inconvenient as well across many American cities. These options need to get better for…

For many decades American guides to design residential areas have promoted cul-de-sacs (with false and/or unproven assertions), resulting in less foot traffic and less concern for foot traffic. Culture has said these are "safer for children" which also promotes their use. From the air, you can often identify the age of a suburb by seeing how nested the cul-de-sacs are. Meanwhile, American culture also says transit is…

>For many decades American guides to design residential areas have promoted cul-de-sacs (with false and/or unproven assertions), resulting in less foot traffic and less concern for foot traffic.

Late to the party I know, but the simple solution is to decouple the pedestrian network from the car network. Cars get cul-de-sacs, pedestrians and cyclists get a fully-connected network. This was proposed as far back as 1977 in A Pattern Language. An exerpt[1]:

"Cars are dangerous to pedestrians; yet activities occur just where cars and pedestrians meet.

"It is common planning practice to separate pedestrians and cars. This makes pedestrian areas more human and safer. However) this practice fails to take account of the fact that cars and pedestrians also need each other: and that, in fact, a great deal of urban life occurs at just the point where these two systems meet. Many of the greatest places in cities, Piccadilly Circus, Times Square, the Champs Elyse'es, are alive because they are at places where pedestrians and vehicles meet. New towns like Cumbernauld, in Scotland, where there is total separation between the two, seldom have the same sort of liveliness.

"The same thing is true at the local residential scale. A great deal of everyday social life occurs where cars and pedestrians meet. In Lima, for example, the car is used as an extension of the house: men, especially, often sit in parked cars, near their houses, drinking beer and talking. And in one way or another, something like this happens everywhere. Conversation and discussion grow naturally around the lots where people wash their cars. Vendors set themselves up where cars and pedestrians meet; they need all the traffic they can get. Children play in parking lots-perhaps because they sense that this is the main point of arrival and departure; and of course because they like the cars. Yet, at the same time, it is essential to keep pedestrians separate from vehicles: to protect children and old people; to preserve the tranquility of pedestrian life.

"To resolve the conflict, it is necessary to find an arrangement of pedestrian paths and roads, so that the two are separate, but meet frequently, with the points where they meet recognized as focal points. In general, this requires two orthogonal networks, one for roads, one for paths, each connected and continuous, crossing at frequent intervals (our observations suggest that most points on the path network should be within 150 feet of the nearest road), meeting, when they meet, at right angles.

"In practice, there are several possible ways of forming this relationship between the roads and paths..."

[1] http://www.iwritewordsgood.com/apl/patterns/apl052.htm

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