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California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by jack9 »

staunch wrote: post #29
Casseres wrote: post #14

Native Texan here. I and many other Texans I know welcome newcomers with open arms. We all just have one message though: Please do not turn Texas into the places y'all are leaving. There's a reason y'all are leaving after all. EDIT: Newcomers: We generally don't care what anyone does or thinks, we only care when people try to force us to conform to their beliefs, including what to do with our money, eg) raising taxes…

That's not how this works. You're not a "native Texan" but one of millions of American citizens born in the state of Texas. Texas is no more yours than any other citizen's. There are no second class citizens in the US. If you move to New York, you become a New Yorker. If you move to Texas, you become a Texan. Just like your parents or grandparents did. This is one reason America society is great. You have no right to…

> That's not how this works. You're not a "native Texan"

Yes, it is. The fact you don't want to think that policies are restricted to borders, which have a history and effect unique to a locality, is irrelevant.

> There are no second class citizens in the US.

You are now making things up to fit your view of everyone as earthlings (why you stop lumping at the US is odd).

> If you don't like California things, then leave this web site

It's likely hosted at a CDN not in California (but sometimes is).

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by capkutay »

pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

I'm surprised this isn't covered more, but this talk of boosting 'affordable', actually government subsidized housing as a solution doesn't seem like an actual solution to me either.

how many middle class families are going to register with a government entity, stay under low yearly income limits to 'qualify' for affordable housing? number of kids you have in your family is factored in as well...becoming a metric that factors into your qualification for housing.

seems sort of orwellian to me. we should be creating bills to expedite all housing. not just subsidized housing.

http://sd11.senate.ca.gov/news/20170123-senator-wiener-relea...

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by sremani »

commandlinefan wrote: post #30
irrational wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oregon sucks. Don't move here, I mean there. But, Texas is very nice.

He mentioned marijuana, though. I can easily see all 49 other states legalizing pot with Texas being the sole remaining hold out. For the next 100 years.

I went to Ft.Worth downtown few years ago, there is this place called.. Hell's Half-acre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Half_Acre_(Fort_Worth...

I would not be surprised Texas to have legal gambling and liberal MJ laws in the next 20 years.

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Post by hindsightbias »

Casseres wrote: post #14

Native Texan here. I and many other Texans I know welcome newcomers with open arms. We all just have one message though: Please do not turn Texas into the places y'all are leaving. There's a reason y'all are leaving after all. EDIT: Newcomers: We generally don't care what anyone does or thinks, we only care when people try to force us to conform to their beliefs, including what to do with our money, eg) raising taxes…

Ex-native here. TX isn't anything like what it was before the Bible Belt migrated in and took over the suburbs/electorate.

Too bad Texas is too progressive to have a Prop 13 - I can't go back anywhere in TX w/o people whinging about their property taxes or toll road fees.

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Post by adrianratnapala »

davidw wrote: post #73
krausejj wrote: post #15

this is related to an article i just submitted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16478780 it costs too much to live here because of zoning. zoning is largely driven by local governments, dominated by homeowners who benefit when prices rise. but california might fix it with sb-827, which would prevent local governments from banning density near transit hubs. california builds https://standupcalifornia.com (this is…

It'd help fix it, but California's dug itself into such a deep hole that it'll take a while to fix it even with good measures like that one. The statistic that always amazes me is how Tokyo built more housing than the entire state of California in 2014. https://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12390048/san-francisco-housing-... If you (as in the generic you, not the comment I'm responding to) live in CA, and care about this stuf…

Tokyo is huge though, it's population is about 1/3 that of the whole of California. So we are talking about a ratio of only 3+ in housing built per capita. Significant for sure, but hardly bizzare.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by asteli »

kenhwang wrote: post #24
logfromblammo wrote: post #8

A cursory read of the graphics indicates that people with graduate degrees and higher-paying jobs are forcing the people with less money and less education out, and they are moving to states with lower costs of living.

I'm not convinced this is a bad thing. What's wrong with having a higher educated, higher income populace?

There's nothing wrong per se with an educated, wealthy populace. It's the gentrification process that is problematic.

It forces the poor and marginalized out, which is basically the last thing those populations need.

It's also bad for innovation of all kinds. People who have ideas and are willing to take a chance on executing them are deterred by the threat of being forced out of their communities if they fail. You're already seeing this with the loss of artists and musicians from the bay.

My housemate is a professional artist and straight up can't afford to move within the bay. Our house is being sold, so she's moving to Georgia.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by dcldcl »

krausejj wrote: post #50
pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

a solution is on the table— sb-827. please research it. californians (and i am one too) need to stop complaining and start fixing things. this bill fixes things. it needs our attention and support. UPDATE: sb-827 prevents local governments in california from banning density near public transit. it represents the most radical housing bill in recent california history, because it rebalances control from hyperlocal muni…

SB-827: Planning and zoning: transit-rich housing bonus [0]

Edited: Nevermind, I see your other posts below.

Original: I'm a urban California resident... (have been for a good chunk of my life). I'm don't see why this is a solution to the problem of why people are leaving the state.

Can you provide your thoughts on why you believe this to be the solution? Or links to material you've found to be compelling?

[0] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

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Post by adamrezich »

all_blue_chucks wrote: post #85

California is also losing residents by discouraging migration via high taxes. For example, I had two job offers: one in California and one in Washington. Since this was a $200k+ job, that income tax in CA would have cost me $40 grand per year. Suffice it to say I now live in Washington.

WA finds plenty of other ways to tax the hell out of you instead though :P

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by krausejj »

davidw wrote: post #73
krausejj wrote: post #15

this is related to an article i just submitted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16478780 it costs too much to live here because of zoning. zoning is largely driven by local governments, dominated by homeowners who benefit when prices rise. but california might fix it with sb-827, which would prevent local governments from banning density near transit hubs. california builds https://standupcalifornia.com (this is…

It'd help fix it, but California's dug itself into such a deep hole that it'll take a while to fix it even with good measures like that one. The statistic that always amazes me is how Tokyo built more housing than the entire state of California in 2014. https://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12390048/san-francisco-housing-... If you (as in the generic you, not the comment I'm responding to) live in CA, and care about this stuf…

absolutely. if you want to go beyond simply pressuring politicians on sb-827, and be part of continued movement to increase housing affordability in california, you should support the YIMBYs.

also the "head yimby's" Q&A on the bill with Vox is a must-read: https://www.vox.com/cities-and-urbanism/2018/2/23/17011154/s...

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