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Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Re: Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

duncanawoods wrote: post #57
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it a US biased article? China has been doing this for years also, just not very well. I still think they aren’t doing very well in this area, especially since they make immigration or at least permanent residence so impossible, but other issues related to child education costs and environment make it difficult to live and work in china long term.

The language is pretty poor - "bait" "lure" etc. They might as well have written ITS A TRAP. As I read it, I felt enough spin to not fully trust the point about maids at the end. Was it cherry picked item from a whole slew of legal relaxations for its shame value or is it really an isolated, important and notable act presented dispassionately? I can't tell.

Those aren’t very strong words, I don’t get the same word sentiment as you do, I’m also a native English speaker.

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Post by dtornabene »

adventured wrote: post #61
dtornabene wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not exactly a fan of Xi, but theres some serious racial overtones in that little screed my friend. China has been an autocratic state for decades, Xi didn't reinvent the wheel here, and, also, while Mugabe sucked, his perception in the west was more than a little colored by racism. This is an excellent discussion, by a renowned South Asian intellectual who was driven out of Africa by no less than Idi Amin. https:…

There is in fact absolutely no racial overtones in that screed. It sounds like you simply didn't like it. The parent was very plainly targeting authoritarianism. Dictatorship isn't a race.

I'm curious, in what possible way is Xi "mugabe-like", what does that even mean? I'm also bowing out of this thread because I don't see anything positive coming out of your reading of me or of my reading of the parent. You might take some time, admittedly a bit, to read the article I linked

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Post by yorwba »

mrarjen wrote: post #40
dannylandau wrote: post #39

There are 37M college students in China and around the world. Why do they need foreigners to come over? http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-04/08/content_243650...

Likely because they are still in college, and China would rather want the leaders in their fields to work for them instead, and also teach the newly graduated to take it from there?

Also, literally every student I've met in China wants to go to the US. Undergraduates want to do their Master's there, Master's students want to do their PhD, I guess PhD students want to become professors at a US university.

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Post by baybal2 »

dcldcl wrote: post #25
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #10

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Pay is pretty good (about 70% of Seattle) while living costs are low. I was able to save about 30-40% of my take home over almost 10 years.

I've spoken to tech workers from Beijing and my impression from them is the cost to purchase homes was on par (if not higher) than SV (and Seattle). Is rent that much cheaper?

Yes, but.... there is a lot of but there:

Technically speaking (literally), a shack in Gangxia, Shenzhen can have market value from $1m to $2m, but nobody will ever sell it. They have no value other than of land under them.

Rents for a room there were around CNY400 per month 5 years ago.

80ies era apartments - also cheap, but quite a lot of them are in even worse shape than property in villages.

post 2000 housing - gets better, actually livable somewhat. Look for 4k CNY in good locations.

Western like proper highrise apartments - no less than 9k, availability is smallish. Everybody is looking for then. I was looking for one in Huafu area, but they just go too fast to even get sense of a price

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Post by devy »

bsaul wrote: post #52
ausjke wrote: post #44

No.1 SMOG SMOG SMOG No.2 No google available Bring ten foreign maids won't fix that. I'll just pass.

About the smog, i'm in shanghai right now, and i can tell you that the air is far less polluted than Paris, France. It's actually quite weird, because i thought the exact same thing as you regarding smog, i thought i would have to wear a mask for the duration of my trip. I was amazed at the number of electrical vehicle here (not a single motorcycle running on gas). Note that it may be due to the chinese new year holi…

Chinese New Year holiday week does indeed bring down traffics on the road just like what Thanksgiving night does on America's road. However, China's transportation electrification has been going on for at least half a decade, as this Deutsch Bank white paper indicated in 2012[1]. Anecdotally, I think the electrification transition started as far back as a decade ago (disclaimer: I visit China annually since 2007).

[1]: https://www.db.com/cr/en/docs/China_GreenCars_080712.pdf

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Post by craftyguy »

dbomhof wrote: post #53
ausjke wrote: post #44

No.1 SMOG SMOG SMOG No.2 No google available Bring ten foreign maids won't fix that. I'll just pass.

Ha! - In the article that smoggy image was worth a 1000 clear breaths on this side of the pond.

I guess you've never been to LA on a hot, windless summer day.

Re: Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Post by adventured »

dtornabene wrote: post #72
adventured wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is in fact absolutely no racial overtones in that screed. It sounds like you simply didn't like it. The parent was very plainly targeting authoritarianism. Dictatorship isn't a race.

I'm curious, in what possible way is Xi "mugabe-like", what does that even mean? I'm also bowing out of this thread because I don't see anything positive coming out of your reading of me or of my reading of the parent. You might take some time, admittedly a bit, to read the article I linked

Mugabe was a dictator for decades. Xi is perhaps about to become a dictator.

Where's the confusion? There are maybe a dozen particularly infamous dictatorships of the last 20-30 years. Mugabe is one of those. Having ruled Zimbabwe for 37 years, he was also one of the longest tenured political figures of the last century. Who would make for a better example? One could certainly use Franco, Chavez, Hussein, or Pinochet. Mugabe is just as legitimate to use as an example.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

craftyguy wrote: post #76
dbomhof wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha! - In the article that smoggy image was worth a 1000 clear breaths on this side of the pond.

I guess you've never been to LA on a hot, windless summer day.

Moved to LA from Beijing, no comparison unless there was a forest fire going on.

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Post by dtornabene »

adventured wrote: post #77
dtornabene wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, in what possible way is Xi "mugabe-like", what does that even mean? I'm also bowing out of this thread because I don't see anything positive coming out of your reading of me or of my reading of the parent. You might take some time, admittedly a bit, to read the article I linked

Mugabe was a dictator for decades. Xi is perhaps about to become a dictator. Where's the confusion? There are maybe a dozen particularly infamous dictatorships of the last 20-30 years. Mugabe is one of those. Having ruled Zimbabwe for 37 years, he was also one of the longest tenured political figures of the last century. Who would make for a better example? One could certainly use Franco, Chavez, Hussein, or Pinochet…

I'm guessing you didn't read the linked article, at all, given that its been ten whole minutes since I commented. For real, bowing out of an unproductive conversation now.

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Post by bsaul »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #69
bsaul wrote: post #67

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Thanks for the link, i was wondering if maybe shanghai had a different kind of pollution that i wouldn't notice (i can't really tell from the graph, but i think maybe pm10 is something that you'd feel more). Although they're both globally in the "yellow" range.. CNY is really over now. Some shops were closed last week, but everything's been back to normal for the last three days.. Also, Paris is experiencing a unusua…

CNY isn’t really over for another week or even two. The lull in traffic usually lasts for around three weeks. Even if the shops are open, many haven’t returned from vacation yet. Pm2.5 is the big killer that everyone is worried about these days. PM10 is larger particles like dust which should be less of a problem in SH. Historical data is included on site, but no easy way to compare them. There isn’t a place in shang…

The big circles around shanghai are a completely different beast than just "major road". Just like Paris "périphérique" is in a league of its own.

I've had a 6h foot walk just 2 days ago in shanghai (inside the first circle, travelling all around the city), and i can tell you the amount of dust i inhaled was nothing compare to what i'm feeling when i walk inside Paris. Now maybe CNY is a huge factor indeed, unfortunately i won't be there anymore to see for myself... All i can say then is that it's a great time to visit the city ! :)

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