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Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Re: Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Post by adventured »

dtornabene wrote: post #56
gigatexal wrote: post #21

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Would you rather China, now on its way to being led by a dictator no different than a Mugabe-like figure in Africa, gain this talent to be used to bolster state run entitities — you know they’ll use any foreign tech developed on Chinese soil for government purposes — or let a relatively less corrupt, much freer government like the USA bring this talent over to build industry in the states where people are much more f…

I'm not exactly a fan of Xi, but theres some serious racial overtones in that little screed my friend. China has been an autocratic state for decades, Xi didn't reinvent the wheel here, and, also, while Mugabe sucked, his perception in the west was more than a little colored by racism. This is an excellent discussion, by a renowned South Asian intellectual who was driven out of Africa by no less than Idi Amin. https:…

There is in fact absolutely no racial overtones in that screed. It sounds like you simply didn't like it. The parent was very plainly targeting authoritarianism. Dictatorship isn't a race.

Re: Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Post by walshemj »

antr wrote: post #4

US-biased headline. This is what US-tech firms have been doing for years, dangling carrots on foreign talent. The same reason why the US VC-lobby has been up in arms on anything and everything work visas related. China is the new USA.

Not really its brining in cheap complaint entry level employees who are desperate for a job.

Re: Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Post by walshemj »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #26
Double_a_92 wrote: post #24

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> Only about 1000 people get Chinese passport per year. How did those people earn it? Or is it just lottery based?

They were probably former Chinese citizens or Chinese descendants. China is open to immigration for Han people; e.g. during the HK handover all Han living there were granted Chinese citizenship while all non-Han were not, leading to some HK residents without citizenship in any country.

which is illegal according to the UN

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Post by carlmr »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #55
bsaul wrote: post #52

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About the smog, i'm in shanghai right now, and i can tell you that the air is far less polluted than Paris, France. It's actually quite weird, because i thought the exact same thing as you regarding smog, i thought i would have to wear a mask for the duration of my trip. I was amazed at the number of electrical vehicle here (not a single motorcycle running on gas). Note that it may be due to the chinese new year holi…

The city should be almost deserted during CNY. But right now at the moment of this post, Shanghai is worse than Paris: https://aqicn.org/city/shanghai/ (95) http://aqicn.org/city/paris/ (66)

It also depends on where in Shanghai and where in Paris. Also Shanghai and Beijing is a bit different.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

carlmr wrote: post #64
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #55

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The city should be almost deserted during CNY. But right now at the moment of this post, Shanghai is worse than Paris: https://aqicn.org/city/shanghai/ (95) http://aqicn.org/city/paris/ (66)

It also depends on where in Shanghai and where in Paris. Also Shanghai and Beijing is a bit different.

The AQICN pages with readings have maps so it’s easy to explore different areas if you want. The outskirts of Paris are mostly in the green(better air), the outskirts of Shanghai are yellow or orange (worse air).

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Post by bsaul »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #55
bsaul wrote: post #52

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About the smog, i'm in shanghai right now, and i can tell you that the air is far less polluted than Paris, France. It's actually quite weird, because i thought the exact same thing as you regarding smog, i thought i would have to wear a mask for the duration of my trip. I was amazed at the number of electrical vehicle here (not a single motorcycle running on gas). Note that it may be due to the chinese new year holi…

The city should be almost deserted during CNY. But right now at the moment of this post, Shanghai is worse than Paris: https://aqicn.org/city/shanghai/ (95) http://aqicn.org/city/paris/ (66)

Thanks for the link, i was wondering if maybe shanghai had a different kind of pollution that i wouldn't notice (i can't really tell from the graph, but i think maybe pm10 is something that you'd feel more). Although they're both globally in the "yellow" range..

CNY is really over now. Some shops were closed last week, but everything's been back to normal for the last three days.. Also, Paris is experiencing a unusual freezing temperature, so maybe there's less activity.

Do you know if there are some historical data on the site ? i'd be really interested to compare the days i left Paris with the day i arrived in Shanghai, because the difference was really amazing.

EDIT : looking more closely at the shanghai map.. If the location is really precise, then it seems that the indicators are all set close to the huge circle roads surrounding the central city. If you want to compare that with the paris equivalent (and not the indicators next to the river), you'll find the same kind of values.

Re: Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Post by adventured »

t1o5 wrote: post #22
Nokinside wrote: post #18

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The difference is that US lures people to move and eventually become citizens. China want's people to work there, transfer the technology and go away. It's basically impossible to naturalize as Chinese citizen even if you marry a local and live there for decades. Japanese are strict in immigration but they take ten times more immigrants than China. Only about 1000 people get Chinese passport per year.

If a 10 year wait time for greencards and restricting the H4 spouses of those skilled visa workers to work legally is not a carrot, then yes US is doing a great job attracting and retaining talents. I went behind the carrot for 3 years and then immigrated to Canada. My spouse has dignity now and she is a full time employee just like me earning a very good salary. In US, she lost all her confidence,dignity and was dep…

One million people get green cards each year in the US.

Immigrants and their children are now 27% of the US population.

Show me the numbers on China.

And if you want to talk about Canada and dignity. Why is Canada only 1% hispanic? Because they restrict immigration overwhelmingly by skill. If you can't meet their skill-based requirements, you're very unlikely to get in. How's that for treating people with dignity? The US has ~46 million immigrants currently, ten million more people than the entire population of Canada.

Re: Chinese capital dangles carrots to lure foreign talent to its Silicon Valley

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bsaul wrote: post #67
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The city should be almost deserted during CNY. But right now at the moment of this post, Shanghai is worse than Paris: https://aqicn.org/city/shanghai/ (95) http://aqicn.org/city/paris/ (66)

Thanks for the link, i was wondering if maybe shanghai had a different kind of pollution that i wouldn't notice (i can't really tell from the graph, but i think maybe pm10 is something that you'd feel more). Although they're both globally in the "yellow" range.. CNY is really over now. Some shops were closed last week, but everything's been back to normal for the last three days.. Also, Paris is experiencing a unusua…

CNY isn’t really over for another week or even two. The lull in traffic usually lasts for around three weeks. Even if the shops are open, many haven’t returned from vacation yet.

Pm2.5 is the big killer that everyone is worried about these days. PM10 is larger particles like dust which should be less of a problem in SH. Historical data is included on site, but no easy way to compare them.

There isn’t a place in shanghai that isn’t next to a major road, it’s a city of 10 million. They used to try and game the system by putting AQI stations out in the suburbs but these days those places actually have worse pollution.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

walshemj wrote: post #63
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were probably former Chinese citizens or Chinese descendants. China is open to immigration for Han people; e.g. during the HK handover all Han living there were granted Chinese citizenship while all non-Han were not, leading to some HK residents without citizenship in any country.

which is illegal according to the UN

They still have HK passports. It really depends if you think HK is its own country or not. The Chinese just have different answers depending on convenience.
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