How will this actually work? Will individuals be able to tap into it skipping the local ISP? I also wonder how the issue of government censorship/control be dealt with in various countries around the world.
It would be nice if it used unlicensed spectrum in all countries, and then all anyone would have to do to connect to the SpaceX internet is get their hands on a modem that supports it. That would be very liberating for many countries, and I'm not sure there would be much the local governments could do other than throw a tantrum. They could start requiring a license for all free spectrum, but that would have non-insig…
Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
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#62How will this actually work? Will individuals be able to tap into it skipping the local ISP? I also wonder how the issue of government censorship/control be dealt with in various countries around the world.
It would be nice if it used unlicensed spectrum in all countries, and then all anyone would have to do to connect to the SpaceX internet is get their hands on a modem that supports it. That would be very liberating for many countries, and I'm not sure there would be much the local governments could do other than throw a tantrum. They could start requiring a license for all free spectrum, but that would have non-insig…
If you are talking about the bands I think you are referring too (2.4/5ghz) then you aren’t considering the implications. To send a signal from ~800mi away on those bands, you’ll need to be radiating with so much power that you’ll effectively destroy any terrestrial usage of those bands. Literally your Wi-Fi won’t work anywhere on earth due to the channel congestion / noise.
Re: Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
#63IPX/SPX?
Re: Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
#64IPX/SPX?
Re: Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hell of a lot of places without 5G, or any , mobile internet. Don't forget aviation and to a lesser extent maritime either. People love their onboard wifi. Owning the launch platform could mean that he's able to significantly undercut current players, although funnily enough soon-to-be competitor Iridium recently launched a whole bunch of new satellites using SpaceX. Good position to be in when your competitors are d…
1) Starlink will be in LEO around 800mi up unlike most communications satellites (like HughesNet) which are in geostationary orbit at ~22,200mi. Expect 25-35ms latency as compared to 600+. 2) due to having a lot more birds in the air at lower altitude with newer tech, they should be competitive with 5G networks speed wise as compared to existing satellite internet. Edit: fixed distance typo for HughesNet
Re: Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
He specifically mentions a much lower protocol overhead, implying a translation of some sort, as opposed to just encapsulation. As an ex-programmer, is unlikely Musk would make that confusion.
Are you ever an ex-programmer? I would say, once a programmer, always a programmer.
Re: Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
#67Re: Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
#68IPX/SPX?
Non-routable and peer to peer, wcgw?
Re: Elon Musk said SpaceX's multi 1000 satellite Internet service will be IP-less
#69To gain a better understanding of why this needs to be totally unique/custom/proprietary, it is helpful to first have a thorough understanding of current high capacity dedicated geostationary orbit based systems (1:1 SCPC/MCPC with dedicated kHz) and various shared-bandwidth VSAT type systems (TDMA timesliced architecture between one large earth station, one piece of satellite transponder kHz, and a number of N fixed CPE terminals within the satellite's spot beam.
After understanding current geostationary architectures, dig into the "How" and "why" o3b was created and has been such a success, and its general system architecture which is proprietary.
Satellite engineer here: The OSI layer 1/2 needs to be totally custom because we're dealing with a unique architecture of, just off the top of my head:
a) dual satellite LEO architecture
b) possible satellite-to-earth station trunk links, and satellite-to-satellite
c) CPE terminals that have no moving parts and use phased array antenna systems to talk to two satellites at the same time. From the stationary point of view of a rooftop CPE, the satellite that is currently "rising" from the horizon and will be soon overhead, and the satellite that is currently overhead and will soon pass out of sight.
d) Densely packed high frequency spot beams on a moving LEO satellite. The closest thing that's ever been built to this before is again the o3b satellites, but there are a great deal fewer of them, they orbit much higher, and have much larger spot beams than these small LEO high-Ka/V-band satellites will have.
e) Custom indoor modem RF tech to talk to the rooftop CPE and provide a standard 100/1000 copper ethernet handoff (and possibly integrated 802.11ac dual band wifi). TDMA timeslicing per CPE and bandwidth allocation - there is no way that an individual CPE will get 1:1 dedicated bandwidth 24x7x365, the amount of capacity in an individual spot beam sized area will be oversold based on standard network architecture principles that most people don't try to max out the capacity of their circuit 24x7.
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#70what are the ping times for satellite networks?