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Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by Zigurd »

TickleSteve wrote: post #69
blitmap wrote: post #47

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Speaking as someone not at all involved in this space, I'd love for Google to take smartphones waaaay more seriously. I feel like in an effort to make Android easy to adopt and customize they have let the "feel" of Android suffer. I hate bloatware on every new phone. I hate that phones differ so greatly. Something invaluable to me on an iPhone is the switch to silence alerts. I wish Google would define a "standard" l…

That's exactly what the Android One (and previously Android Go) standards where all about, they set minimum hardware standards and experiences. They then guarantee updates for two years, etc...

Android Treble is, at long last, decoupling Android OS porting from the cycle of BSP support. It's only for Android 8+, so the impact won't be widespread until later this year and into 2019. But this should enable vendors to lengthen their update support more independently of the underlying kernel and driver support.

https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/treble

Large parts of Android-the-OS is implemented in middleware running on the same runtime as Android's apps, which should have made this kind of portability possible earlier in the development of Android. But here it is.

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Post by imtringued »

bachmeier wrote: post #53
zokier wrote: post #36

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> It's really preventing the way Linux took off on developers desktops back in the late 90s/early 2000s. It is somewhat ironical that the Wintel monopoly that standardized so much of PC space ultimately ended up helping Linux desktops, despite the grumblings of UNIX greybeards.

I don't really agree with the claim. What allowed the Linux desktop to take off was extreme security problems in Windows and generally a terrible user experience. Anyone adopting Linux had to put up with constant hardware incompatibility issues. It's just that Windows was so bad that it was worth it. (I made the switch sometime around 2003, and have been Linux-only for more than a decade.) In contrast, there is no ob…

>In contrast, there is no obvious need to move away from Android,

Are you serious? Android still has a massive fragmentation problem because OEMs/carriers don't provide updates.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by imtringued »

michaelmrose wrote: post #117
mixmastamyk wrote: post #113

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Still not. Just tried to schedule a disk check on reboot and had to scour a bunch of pages to find something that might work. No std msc or service manager gui available either. Some of these existed but were lost in a CADT.

Sometimes finding it difficult to do something is an indication you might have a suboptimal work flow. You can get plenty of info about the health of the drive while the system is running. There isn't much reason to run a filesystem check unless something is wrong. Speaking of services it's extremely easy to query which services are running and enable and disable stuff. Plus there aren't 85 different things running.…

Here is another gui:

https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/introducing-syste...

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by beeflaw »

erikb wrote: post #118
beeflaw wrote: post #61

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If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. It's for people who buy a phone for its low price, who don't care what the OS is.

If I buy a phone for ~60 bucks there is already Android on it. If I don't care why would I even install another one?

End users aren't supposed to install KaiOS, vendors are supposed to ship handsets (like the new Nokia 1) with it preinstalled.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by yayana »

randomerr wrote: post #137
garganshum wrote: post #98

I have actually developed for this platform. KaiOS powers Jio Phone and Reliance JIO is by far their largest customer (and also an investor from what I know). The thing I like about this platform is that it runs most web technologies. You can thank Firefox OS for that. We used React ecosystem to develop apps for KaiOS and they worked well enough. Jio Phone ships with Video and Audio streaming apps which are all built…

I think it was combination of factors that shut down FireFox OS: * The foundation was bleeding money and had to limit it's focus * The Matchstick on KickStarter made FireFox OS look like a non-viable product * Not a lot of chimerical interest outside from outside the community

I think there actually was and is a lot of outside interest in a open and web stack oriented phoneOS.

The firefox OS website tried to divide visitors into hardware vendors, consumers and app writers. Imagine the success of Linus's first announcement if he told people which lines they could stand in to appreciate Linux when he was done writing it..

Digging deeper than you appeared to be welcome would get you into setup tasks with AOSP.. There is no better way to lose help then to ask them to learn about a more complete competitor.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by wired_devil »

djsumdog wrote: post #8
jpalomaki wrote: post #4

Looks like the new HMD-Nokia "banana" is powered by KaiOS [1]. [1] https://www.nokia.com/en_int/phones/nokia-8110-4g

Ugh...school wheel hijacking in the middle of the page ... still not has bad as the KaiOS page.

Also, that page gave me dizziness. Why that background colors? Jesus!

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by thom_nic »

smt88 wrote: post #111
jacquesm wrote: post #20

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I really want PostMarketOS to succeed, for one because it would be really neat to have an open phone OS but also because I think it would cut down a lot on the number of phones that end up being demolished long before their actual life-span is at an end.

I have a 1st-gen Moto X that I use as a backup. It's about as responsive as my Pixel (i.e. not very responsive, not even close to iPhone) and it's a great size. The problem is, as always, the battery. If I could replace that and install PostMarket, I might use it as my daily driver.

Have you looked into a DIY battery replacement?[1] I've replaced "non removable" batteries and cracked screens in several phones over the years (the latest being a Nexus 5X) and it's definitely doable if you have a steady hand, patience, and the right tools.

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Motorola+Moto+X+Battery+Replace...

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by Yaggo »

jpalomaki wrote: post #4

Looks like the new HMD-Nokia "banana" is powered by KaiOS [1]. [1] https://www.nokia.com/en_int/phones/nokia-8110-4g

Out of topic, what's the purpose of physical numpad in a modern phone? Inputting text with T9? Pure nostalgy? Fill the void because bigger screen would be too expensive?

I find it hard to believe that manual entering of phone numbers is common use case. Nowadays people mainly communicate by texting/chatting via social networks, right?

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by zmix »

Yaggo wrote: post #148
jpalomaki wrote: post #4

Looks like the new HMD-Nokia "banana" is powered by KaiOS [1]. [1] https://www.nokia.com/en_int/phones/nokia-8110-4g

Out of topic, what's the purpose of physical numpad in a modern phone? Inputting text with T9? Pure nostalgy? Fill the void because bigger screen would be too expensive? I find it hard to believe that manual entering of phone numbers is common use case. Nowadays people mainly communicate by texting/chatting via social networks, right?

Some people just like it more, if they have haptic feedback. It's "The Feel". You can do this without watching the screen, for example. Not everyone wants a PC in their pocket. Some just need a phone, that does connect them to more than just another phone and let's them shoot photos, I guess.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by kolla »

Yaggo wrote: post #148
jpalomaki wrote: post #4

Looks like the new HMD-Nokia "banana" is powered by KaiOS [1]. [1] https://www.nokia.com/en_int/phones/nokia-8110-4g

Out of topic, what's the purpose of physical numpad in a modern phone? Inputting text with T9? Pure nostalgy? Fill the void because bigger screen would be too expensive? I find it hard to believe that manual entering of phone numbers is common use case. Nowadays people mainly communicate by texting/chatting via social networks, right?

The speed I could type text messages with T9 is something I will never achieve with my iphone.

I am however guessing that a smaller screen will lead to longer battery life and the phone seems to aim itself at markets where that matters more than in the west.

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