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KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by hacker_9 »

JD557 wrote: post #126

From the website, it appears that all apps are written in HTML5+CSS+JS, however they target feature phones with 256MB of RAM and claim to have a long battery life. Considering how much resources some electron apps need and how battery hungry they are, what's the "secret" here? Is it a subset of HTML? Is Firefox that much more efficient than Chromium?

Electron isn't a good benchmark here because every app spawns it's own Chrome renderer process. In the case of Kai, I'd imagine they'd only need to spawn a single instance, and just add/remove view handles as needed.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by toyg »

garganshum wrote: post #98

I have actually developed for this platform. KaiOS powers Jio Phone and Reliance JIO is by far their largest customer (and also an investor from what I know). The thing I like about this platform is that it runs most web technologies. You can thank Firefox OS for that. We used React ecosystem to develop apps for KaiOS and they worked well enough. Jio Phone ships with Video and Audio streaming apps which are all built…

> why did it not try to market itself like KaiOS has managed to do.

Speculating, but it's easy to see how Mozilla going after enterprise customers would have attracted a lot of bad press. FFOS was already carrying enough bad mojo, attaching "enterprise" to it would have been even worse.

For good or ill, Mozilla is supposed to be different from other corporations, at least in theory.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by jc_denton »

> KaiOS is so light that it can run on phones with only 256MB of memory

lol. That is not "light"

And that website has the most embarassing "tech specs" section I have ever seen. What kind of kernel is it? They don't even say that.

If it really is based off of firefox OS, while parts of that are MPL licensed, it uses the linux kernel which is GNU and therefore is definitely meant to have that part of its source available. So where is it?

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by smt88 »

1011_1101 wrote: post #124
smt88 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 1st-gen Moto X that I use as a backup. It's about as responsive as my Pixel (i.e. not very responsive, not even close to iPhone) and it's a great size. The problem is, as always, the battery. If I could replace that and install PostMarket, I might use it as my daily driver.

Couldn't find any numbers for battery life comparison between original and postmarketOS. Could you share your experience please? (Your last line seems to indicate there might be a significant increase)

Sorry, I wasn't clear.

I haven't used Postmarket because no software can fix the battery issues with that phone.

If I could easily swap out the battery and also install Postmarket, I would do both. As of now, I can't get a new battery and will therefore do neither.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by techaddict009 »

garganshum wrote: post #98

I have actually developed for this platform. KaiOS powers Jio Phone and Reliance JIO is by far their largest customer (and also an investor from what I know). The thing I like about this platform is that it runs most web technologies. You can thank Firefox OS for that. We used React ecosystem to develop apps for KaiOS and they worked well enough. Jio Phone ships with Video and Audio streaming apps which are all built…

So do they have app store like android? Where anyone can make KaiOS Apps and upload it?

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by fixmycode »

techaddict009 wrote: post #135
garganshum wrote: post #98

I have actually developed for this platform. KaiOS powers Jio Phone and Reliance JIO is by far their largest customer (and also an investor from what I know). The thing I like about this platform is that it runs most web technologies. You can thank Firefox OS for that. We used React ecosystem to develop apps for KaiOS and they worked well enough. Jio Phone ships with Video and Audio streaming apps which are all built…

So do they have app store like android? Where anyone can make KaiOS Apps and upload it?

From their FAQ:

"KaiOS is a curated platform for apps and we are working closely with app developers to provide the best experience for our users. At the moment we are not accepting submissions into the Store, but will do so in the future."

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by randomerr »

garganshum wrote: post #98

I have actually developed for this platform. KaiOS powers Jio Phone and Reliance JIO is by far their largest customer (and also an investor from what I know). The thing I like about this platform is that it runs most web technologies. You can thank Firefox OS for that. We used React ecosystem to develop apps for KaiOS and they worked well enough. Jio Phone ships with Video and Audio streaming apps which are all built…

I think it was combination of factors that shut down FireFox OS:

* The foundation was bleeding money and had to limit it's focus

* The Matchstick on KickStarter made FireFox OS look like a non-viable product

* Not a lot of chimerical interest outside from outside the community

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by Feniks »

nasredin wrote: post #68
blitmap wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as someone not at all involved in this space, I'd love for Google to take smartphones waaaay more seriously. I feel like in an effort to make Android easy to adopt and customize they have let the "feel" of Android suffer. I hate bloatware on every new phone. I hate that phones differ so greatly. Something invaluable to me on an iPhone is the switch to silence alerts. I wish Google would define a "standard" l…

I think Goog is trying to compete with Apple with quantity and, bear with me, not quality. Famous quote: "quantity has a quality all its own".

How many non Apple phones run iOS?

The strength of Android is that you can customize it. Some people like Touchwizz. I prefer oxygenOS.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Post by _b8r0 »

fabrice_d wrote: post #99
culot wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently KaiOS is a fork of Firefox OS/B2G. So... where's the code, yo? I've scoured Github, but no sign of it. edit: nevermind: "KaiOS is based on the Firefox OS open-source project and we are committed to abide by the rules of the applicable open source licenses. Therefore, we’ll make the source code available to the extent required by the applicable open source licenses." So that's a no on giving back to the B2G…

It's not a "no on giving back". You only have to make available the source for products you ship, and KaiOS itself is not the one shipping the devices, so it's up to the OEMs to provide the source they use on their phones (they do their own customizations). That being said, I'm trying to get us to open source the "base" version which is provided to OEMs.

You have to be aware that a "closed-source fork of Firefox OS" sounds ridiculous on every level.

If you don't make it open source, that challenge will be levied at every opportunity, and rightly so.

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