Earlier quoted context omitted.
Certainly it isn't the same in absolute terms? You can get a two-bedroom apartment in Copenhagen for $300,000 or so. I haven't heard of any place in Europe where you can expect to make anything close to this for any normal software engineering role. (I earn around, maybe less than half the average in this graph, in Norway).
The thing about Copenhagen property (and I expect this is true for all the Nordic countries) is that is closed to foreign investors - you can only buy if you're a permanent resident, and even if you come from EU, you can get the status after 5 years of living there. So not an easy market to get into as a buyer, but it helps having sane prices for locals, which IMHO is the way to go.
21 Years of Income as a Software Engineer in San Francisco
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#32I'm French, I'm not a software engineer because I don't have the degree, but I can read every language out there, I speak English pretty well, I know how to do proper research to fix things, and as I saw in the comments, the situation here is very weird. I have been unemployed my whole life, my medical condition might have something to do with it, but when I hear that French companies put a lot of faith in a degree I…
I imagine getting a visa to work in the US without a degree is all but impossible; for work immigrants, most countries require you to have a degree, unless you have some incredible, sought after skills.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Certainly it isn't the same in absolute terms? You can get a two-bedroom apartment in Copenhagen for $300,000 or so. I haven't heard of any place in Europe where you can expect to make anything close to this for any normal software engineering role. (I earn around, maybe less than half the average in this graph, in Norway).
Can you please confirm what the average salary is in Copenhagen for a senior developer ? Thanks
The wages in Copenhagen are lower than in Silicon Valley. I was talking about the general shape of the graph.
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#34Re: 21 Years of Income as a Software Engineer in San Francisco
#35Meanwhile, Vancouver BC boasted about the famously low salaries of its software engineers and people with similar skill sets, in a failed bid to attract Amazon HQ2: https://www.google.com/search?q=vancouver+amazon+hq+bid+sala... In my opinion a pretty stupid thing to do, considering the low probability of Amazon choosing either Portland or Vancouver as second headquarters. Too close to Seattle and still within the sa…
I really wanted to work in Vancouver, but I simply could not justify taking the ~$80k CAD offer I had in Vancouver over an ~$140k USD offer from a company in SF.
Even when taking into account the cost of living difference, which worked out to be about the same as the ratio between the salaries, the higher salary in SF wins out because given similar savings rates, the higher your salary, the larger your raw savings in dollars will be (unless you have a savings rate of 0% or lower, which is a rarity among well-paid software engineers). This is before even taking into account the difference in purchasing power between the two currencies.
Collectively, the tech industry in Canada would reap great long-term benefits from offering salaries that are competitive with those in the US. But companies acting in short-term self-interest only try to pay their employees the bare minimum they can get away with in order to be able to claim to offer these pathetic, so-called "market-rate" Canadian salaries, with little regard to the fact that so much of the higher end of this talent pool that they could have competed for have already been brain-drained away.
This then inevitably leads to the industry generally undercompeting as a whole, which results in poorer revenues and lower interest from potential investors, which then means there's less available capital to invest in the workforce, and so the whole vicious cycle repeats itself. So many once prominent Canadian tech companies have already fallen prey to this sorry state of affairs. I wonder what kind of wake-up call the industry will need to finally break out of this pattern.
Re: 21 Years of Income as a Software Engineer in San Francisco
#36I can tell you it is the same for a software engineer in Copenhagen. Salaries peeked in 2000 and have yet to catch up in real terms.
Certainly it isn't the same in absolute terms? You can get a two-bedroom apartment in Copenhagen for $300,000 or so. I haven't heard of any place in Europe where you can expect to make anything close to this for any normal software engineering role. (I earn around, maybe less than half the average in this graph, in Norway).
London, finance and banking related software roles. Mostly contract.
The work (AFAICT so far) is no different from other software roles, but the money is a lot better.
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#37Does anyone know what the take home pay is after tax for a 200k job - a month - after typical rent - in Frisco?
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I can confirm around 100k (pounds) in London, unless you're going to the giants (FB, Google) that go above that.
Lol no. That’s delusional in London, unless you take into account day rate work
(I make 6 figures in London, and that's full time and at a software company.)
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Certainly it isn't the same in absolute terms? You can get a two-bedroom apartment in Copenhagen for $300,000 or so. I haven't heard of any place in Europe where you can expect to make anything close to this for any normal software engineering role. (I earn around, maybe less than half the average in this graph, in Norway).
The thing about Copenhagen property (and I expect this is true for all the Nordic countries) is that is closed to foreign investors - you can only buy if you're a permanent resident, and even if you come from EU, you can get the status after 5 years of living there. So not an easy market to get into as a buyer, but it helps having sane prices for locals, which IMHO is the way to go.
Re: 21 Years of Income as a Software Engineer in San Francisco
#40Meanwhile, Vancouver BC boasted about the famously low salaries of its software engineers and people with similar skill sets, in a failed bid to attract Amazon HQ2: https://www.google.com/search?q=vancouver+amazon+hq+bid+sala... In my opinion a pretty stupid thing to do, considering the low probability of Amazon choosing either Portland or Vancouver as second headquarters. Too close to Seattle and still within the sa…
Former Vancouverite here. I really wanted to work in Vancouver, but I simply could not justify taking the ~$80k CAD offer I had in Vancouver over an ~$140k USD offer from a company in SF. Even when taking into account the cost of living difference, which worked out to be about the same as the ratio between the salaries, the higher salary in SF wins out because given similar savings rates, the higher your salary, the…
Given there are vastly more and far larger public tech companies in the US & California than in Canada. Companies like Google, Oracle, Salesforce, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, et al. can drown their employees in additional compensation via stock, which very few companies in Canada can compete with. That $140k salary should become $200k+ with stock compensation over time. Most California tech employees don't work for start-ups that fail to realize equity value, so the additional compensation from stock is a very real, very substantial factor on top.