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I would assume that the rural are rational to the same degree as anyone else, so the statistical difference mostly means they find college less beneficial relative to their opportunities. There is too much of an agenda feel to this piece, from the title to selective interviews and statistics
> I would assume that the rural are rational to the same degree as anyone else, The rural have limited social interaction, leading to a biased worldview.
Most jobs don't require higher education. Most jobs that do require higher education don't actually make any use of the higher education. Are people who didn't follow the author up the ivory tower all failures who just fell through the cracks? What if some people are perfectly happy working in HVAC? These articles are always so condescending. The position that all people should by default go to college and that peopl…
"And for my nineteenth birthday I got a union card and a wedding coat."
Nowadays jobs (junior bank staff) where you could join as school leaver at 16 or 18 and work your way up require a degree.
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UW has a pretty good CS program, and is less than 8 hours away from Missoula (if you lived close to there). UW unfortunately does not offer in state tuition to border states (unless from certain native american tribes).
Good luck getting into UW's CSE program as an American with a non-perfect GPA. Nearly always you'll get rejected and end up getting a Business or Geography degree (as either will accept you), neither of which are worth the paper they're written on. UW's main campus is not a school worth going to, the programs that are worth taking have so many people applying that if you don't have connections or cash to burn, you wo…
CSE has no bias for or against Americans, I’m not sure where that came from.
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> I would assume that the rural are rational to the same degree as anyone else, The rural have limited social interaction, leading to a biased worldview.
I have lived in a rural area most of my live and it's not about limited social interaction - it's the fact that international affairs don't affect us as much as it does people who live in cities. Therefore it's just not as interesting to people here.
While one job in the city might attract 100 applicants, one job in a small community of 100 people total might attract two applicants. This forces rural employers to be less choosy about who they hire, and enables applicants to be less special as they do not need to stand out from the crowd in the same way their big city counterparts need to.
While I am not about to suggest that college is only for building careers, I find a large segment of students treat it as nothing more. When you remove the feeling that you need a college degree to get a job, as is the case for many who look for work in rural areas, that removes the reason why many want to attain a degree.
Generally, education for education's sake is not something our society values. We are, I think quite unfortunately, taught from an early age that jobs are the whole reason for attending school. Few, regardless of whether they live in a major city or in the country, recognize the value beyond that.
Most jobs don't require higher education. Most jobs that do require higher education don't actually make any use of the higher education. Are people who didn't follow the author up the ivory tower all failures who just fell through the cracks? What if some people are perfectly happy working in HVAC? These articles are always so condescending. The position that all people should by default go to college and that peopl…
On the other hand, I come from a rural area and I feel that college was absolutely worth it for me, even with the huge bill that I had to pay myself. (I graduated fairly recently) College was the first time in my life when I feel like I truly took responsibility for myself, and people generally thought I was a responsible kid growing up. I finally found myself in a place where I could make friends who shared interest…
This is false. This claim ("colleges are for enrichment and learning; not preparation for a job!") is being trotted out a lot more recently. I consider it to be a pivot equivalent to the Bitcoin Bros' (LLC) pivot from "clearly this will replace currency" to "clearly it has been a store of value all along".
Job preparation/income/career enhancement has always been a huge part of the motivation to go to college. Even as many colleges have marketed themselves as "we're not just job prep; come here for the joy of learning", they have also spent huge amounts of resources on making their graduates competitive in the job market. Note that I don't think that expenditure necessarily paid off/was sufficient, just that career preparation is definitely a huge priority for colleges and people who attend them.
Is this even a little surprising? Most people I know aspire to similar career paths as their parents, or adults around them in high school. If the careers of adults who are around you growing up didn't require college, why would you go?
When you are competing against 100 other people for a particular job, you need something special to set yourself apart in order to gain the attention of the employer. A college degree, especially before it became popular to get one, was seen as a highly distinguishing feature.
When you are in a community that only has 100 people in total, you might be the only person who applies for the job, guaranteeing you the spot no matter what your background is.
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On the other hand, I come from a rural area and I feel that college was absolutely worth it for me, even with the huge bill that I had to pay myself. (I graduated fairly recently) College was the first time in my life when I feel like I truly took responsibility for myself, and people generally thought I was a responsible kid growing up. I finally found myself in a place where I could make friends who shared interest…
> It's important to keep in mind that college is meant to enrich people as individuals, not explicitly prepare them for jobs. This is false. This claim ("colleges are for enrichment and learning; not preparation for a job!") is being trotted out a lot more recently. I consider it to be a pivot equivalent to the Bitcoin Bros' (LLC) pivot from "clearly this will replace currency" to "clearly it has been a store of valu…
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College grads do better then those who did not went to college - in terms of earnings, home ownership and just about any other stat I have seen. They do worst then grads of previous generation through. The worst off are those who took debt and then dropped out. Picking up grads as argument against college is odd, given that their results are not as bad as results of other demographic groups.
Given your atrocious grammar, I sure hope you didn't waste your money on a college degree. Comments are generally taken more seriously when the author takes the time to write properly.
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I know that's what everyone claims but it's an insidious trope that encourages people to trust in a system that lacks measurable benefit. "Don't worry that you'll never use this information. Trust us: we've prepared you in nebulous ways that can't be measured or critiqued."
I was continually measured and critiqued in college. It was called grading.
It seems, at best, we have people trying to compare the worlds best prodigies with people who suffer from severe disabilities that prevent them from going to college and conclude that because the prodigies breezed through college that college is the reason for them being more successful people, but that is obviously a horribly flawed methodology.
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Since you mentioned having a gun, this is one of the huge differences between your average liberal elite and the average rural dweller. People on the left simply don't understand the difference of living on your own. The independence is completely at a different level. You may very well need a gun to fend off some crazy banging at your door that won't go away. In the city, you have the assumption that the cops will s…
The gun you want for reasonable home defense / deterrence in a rural setting is a shotgun, no? Very different to the assault rifle proxies typical used in mass shootings.
You might mean "assault weapon," but that's a poorly-defined political term that can include cosmetic attachments and colors.
And plenty of people get AR-15s for home defense.