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Retiring Wave

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Re: Retiring Wave

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People who aren't aware, this was the continuation of Google Wave, the real time collaboration tool that was, for a while, built into gmail, and then taken over by apache. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wave

> tool that was, for a while, built into gmail Do you have a source for this? I don't remember it ever being part of Gmail.

They're probably mixing it up with Google Buzz.

Re: Retiring Wave

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post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

Where are: httpd, lucene, and solr in that list?

Re: Retiring Wave

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While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

Did Wave ever really live, though? I know it had its vocal fans for whatever reason, but most people never understood what it was, even if they had heard of it and tried to use it (like myself).

Re: Retiring Wave

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post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

Yeah, no, your impression is correct. Apache is and always has been a bit of an open source graveyard. There's counter-examples but even they have me worried. Airflow, originating from AirBNB, is now Apache Airflow: https://github.com/apache/incubator-airflow -- And I've been super hesitant to throw weight at it because of that, even though it looks actively maintained.

Airflow is extremely active — check the mailing list, Gitter chat, or even GitHub contributions. My company, Astronomer, also provides a hosted version of Airflow [1] if SaaS is more you're thing.

[1]: https://www.astronomer.io/airflow

Re: Retiring Wave

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Yeah, no, your impression is correct. Apache is and always has been a bit of an open source graveyard. There's counter-examples but even they have me worried. Airflow, originating from AirBNB, is now Apache Airflow: https://github.com/apache/incubator-airflow -- And I've been super hesitant to throw weight at it because of that, even though it looks actively maintained.

airflow is too tightly integrated into a single project/requirements.txt for my tastes. It should do less.

Can you explain your position a bit more, like which parts you think would be better decoupled?

Re: Retiring Wave

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Not just internally. I remember the massive hype around this being the "next email." I excitedly got as many of my friends onto there as I could. I can't really pinpoint any one thing. There really was a mass of mistakes that all lead to this imploding heavily. I seem to recall that the fate of GWT was intertwined heavily with it. Very heavyweight widgets to support the general idea of massive collaboration in real t…

> I suspect the killer is that "real time" portion. Real time is good for collaboration but it sucks for messaging. A good messaging platform allows you to ignore it until you are ready for it.

I suspect "fast" is good. Real time is just an indulgence that can demo well if it has been well rehearsed.

Re: Retiring Wave

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post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

That projects site seems to give a particularly pessimistic view. I looked at the 'traffic server' project[1] (a web cache) and it says the last release was in 2012, but the real project website[2] shows there has been a steady stream of releases, the last one just a few weeks ago.

1: https://projects.apache.org/project.html?trafficserver-traff...

2: http://trafficserver.apache.org/downloads

Re: Retiring Wave

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post #14
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it wasn't. when it was release, it was actually introduced (internally) as something like, "what would email look like if were invented today?"

Not just internally. I remember the massive hype around this being the "next email." I excitedly got as many of my friends onto there as I could. I can't really pinpoint any one thing. There really was a mass of mistakes that all lead to this imploding heavily. I seem to recall that the fate of GWT was intertwined heavily with it. Very heavyweight widgets to support the general idea of massive collaboration in real t…

Pretty sure the biggest mistake was the same as Google Plus': the invite system that artificially hampers growth.

Since these platforms need to capture an entire network of people at the same time if there is something preventing someone from bringing all their friends/collegues in at the same time then it is doomed to fail.

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