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Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by scrollaway »

tux3 wrote: post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

Yeah, no, your impression is correct. Apache is and always has been a bit of an open source graveyard.

There's counter-examples but even they have me worried. Airflow, originating from AirBNB, is now Apache Airflow: https://github.com/apache/incubator-airflow -- And I've been super hesitant to throw weight at it because of that, even though it looks actively maintained.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by taeric »

V-eHGsd_ wrote: post #7
deefour wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> tool that was, for a while, built into gmail Do you have a source for this? I don't remember it ever being part of Gmail.

it wasn't. when it was release, it was actually introduced (internally) as something like, "what would email look like if were invented today?"

Not just internally. I remember the massive hype around this being the "next email." I excitedly got as many of my friends onto there as I could.

I can't really pinpoint any one thing. There really was a mass of mistakes that all lead to this imploding heavily. I seem to recall that the fate of GWT was intertwined heavily with it. Very heavyweight widgets to support the general idea of massive collaboration in real time.

I suspect the killer is that "real time" portion. People love to talk about that. Few actually want it. (Fewer still need it.)

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by ramon »

I remember the headlines about Google reinventing email with Wave, the world without emails.. I guess it will never die, long live the emails :p.

Re: Retiring Wave

#16

Post by taeric »

rlglwx wrote: post #10

I wonder if Wave and Reader are hanging out in heaven somewhere.

I miss Reader much more than I miss Wave.

Wave helped sour me to hyped ideas. Reader made me bitter to even attempted google+. To the point that i forget google+ still exists quite commonly. I almost feel guilty that I don't know more about it.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by askvictor »

tambourine_man wrote: post #13

Interesting tech that no one wanted

Interesting tech where the roll-out was botched.

My organisation desperately wanted to use this, but since invites were limited and rolled out slowly, we couldn't, since you can't have half of the org using a collaboration tool like this. So the initial buzz about this was killed quickly when no-one could use it for any serious work, then once it was generally available, people had lost interest. Google has a habit of botching roll-outs like this.

Google Docs in its current form has a lot of features that were in Wave, and people seem to like and use that.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by jacquesm »

taeric wrote: post #14
V-eHGsd_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it wasn't. when it was release, it was actually introduced (internally) as something like, "what would email look like if were invented today?"

Not just internally. I remember the massive hype around this being the "next email." I excitedly got as many of my friends onto there as I could. I can't really pinpoint any one thing. There really was a mass of mistakes that all lead to this imploding heavily. I seem to recall that the fate of GWT was intertwined heavily with it. Very heavyweight widgets to support the general idea of massive collaboration in real t…

> I suspect the killer is that "real time" portion.

Real time is good for collaboration but it sucks for messaging. A good messaging platform allows you to ignore it until you are ready for it.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by jacquesm »

rlglwx wrote: post #10

I wonder if Wave and Reader are hanging out in heaven somewhere.

Nobody misses wave, lots of people miss reader. You can take the number of reader re-launches after Google shuttered it as proof of that.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by squeeeeeeeeeee »

tux3 wrote: post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

Next in line: Netbeans.
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