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Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Please, no. This has to be a parody. > Banks don’t want private account details (like the user’s current balance and credit limits etc) being seen by anybody other than the account holder. This is exactly the kind of justification they'd use. And surprise surprise there won't be a box that says "I'd rather risk somebody seeing my account details than have a biometric model of my face stored in your database and given…

My reaction too. But then, I use no devices with cameras or microphones.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Decentralization is not essential to cryptocurrency as a technology. It's essential to a view of how it could be used for the betterment of many. The technology can just as easily be applied for other purposes, mandated by an authoritarian government to be the only legal way to conduct commerce. You'd use it not because you want to, but because you want to avoid their ire.

With a single trusted party, a blockchain is just a wildly inefficient database. There's literally no reason to use it at that point, just make a simple db of account numbers and balances.

I think we're mixing terminology. There's a difference between distributed and decentralized. You can have a distributed blockchain, while still being controlled by a central authority (i.e. not decentralized). That's pretty much Ripple, and it still has many of the advantages of blockchain technology: distributed/quick settlement, highly secure, highly available, etc...

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Am I the only one who doesn't quite understand the point? I would assume you wouldn't only use this tech to secure information. But I don't see really how this adds any security when software cams exist. Plus you have other issues, like people like me who work in low light, or picture frames in the shot, etc. Cool hobby project though.

It's just a cheap/easy biometric. Retina pattern or finger print are better biometrics, but generally require special purpose hardware for ease of use.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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So what stops me from creating a device that registers itself as a webcam natively, but just puts a loop of a pre-recorded video that satisfies the face recognition software? Stop trying to find solutions to problems that aren't real.

i.e. what people were doing on ChatRoulette for a long time (and probably still are).

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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With a single trusted party, a blockchain is just a wildly inefficient database. There's literally no reason to use it at that point, just make a simple db of account numbers and balances.

Actually there is. 21st century money. It would be actually possible to use a government's money in various new ways. Think of what could happen in the economy if the government provided flexible and free payment services. (Which is exactly why they'll never do it, but just pointing out that a government-controlled blockchain for normal people would have a LOT of applications)

Why do you need blockchain for that if it's centralized and controlled by the government?

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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As someone who has been careful about not doing that for a couple of decades, just fuck me, hm?

I'm reading a (sometimes hyperbolic) but interesting "book" on this: Digital Stockholm Syndrome in the Post-Ontological Age: https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/digital-stock... "Now, the modern person is determined by data exhaust—an invisible anthropocentric ether of ones and zeros that is a product of our digitally monitored age." I won't doubt that in 15-20 years, using the process of deduction of your…

There's the combined idea of machine recognition (facial, gait, etc) - "convenience" and overreach:

Goes a bit like:

1) a place to start, 2) a way to follow, virtually, in time and space - augmented with total surveillance.

1) "In China, KFC tests out ‘smile to pay’" https://www.techinasia.com/kfc-china-tests-facial-recognitio...

2) "China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from cameras to monitor citizens"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643433

Also:

https://www.theverge.com/2013/2/1/3940898/darpa-gigapixel-dr...

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nzey3w/what-those...

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Do people really consider the ethics of introducing tech like this? I guess it just comes down to a consequentialism vs deontology whether someone thinks this is a good idea. And, obviously, if they don't do it, I guess someone else will?

> Do people really consider the ethics of introducing tech like this? But consider the fact that you are using terms out of the humanities, while most of my fellow CS students endlessly griped about how useless their humanities courses were and how they wished the school would get rid of that course requirement (six courses total over 4 years). Until we teach the tech-priests of the 21st century the great responsibil…

I'm not sure I agree the implicit assumption here that humanities courses necessarily result in more, well, humanity.

In the UK, for instance, we have no requirements for a university degree other than the courses relevant to that degree. I was there to study computer science, not get a rounded education at someone else's insistence.

And yet most of the really rapacious, conscienceless, anti-human stuff seems to me to come from the libertarian and 'bro' fringes of Silicon Valley, seemingly despite the requirements to study more 'humanities'.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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There's something about software like this that really creeps me out, even though I realize it's not ridiculously advanced (i.e. it's way more common than I think) anymore. That might just be a personal aversion, though. I can imagine useful scenarios for this even if I get a bit of an icky feeling from it. My co-founder and I have talked about things like this as an "anti-cheating" measure (we developed a take-home…

Some more info about ProctorU (for others who haven't heard about it): https://www.chronicle.com/article/Behind-the-Webcams-Watchfu... > Rather than one proctor sitting at the head of a physical classroom and roaming the aisles every once in a while, remote proctors peer into a student's home, seize control of her computer, and stare at her face for the duration of a test, reading her body language for signs of impro…

had no idea about this, thanks for the link. Its kind of difficult to put into words how crazy this is to me without hyperbole or cliche. Very much feeling of through the looking glass.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Technologically speaking: Yeah, that's a nice feature. Real world: This will be awful, I really don't want any DB to have a photo of me associated with transaction or authentification. Yes, I do have profile pictures, but allowing a service to get a "stream" of your face will be way worse, and I cannot imagine what would happen if this DB get compromised...anyway...still a nice Black Mirror episode though..
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