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Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by cryptoz »

IntronExon wrote: post #40
cryptoz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've been that careful, then props to you. Good job. > I’ve searched for a picture of me, and have only ever found a grainy one from two decades ago. That is it. But that's not what I mean. Facebook knows who you are. Maybe you can't find it yourself using search terms, but that's not the point. You have a Facebook profile with an email and a set of pictures and a social web connected, I'm sure, even if you've n…

That could be, it I’ve never uploaded a picture of me anywhere, and I avoid having my picture taken. I’ve never had a social media account with my real identity either, and never had an FB profile, period.

Those are all good steps, and I do want to say, I think our society would be in a better position if more people were concerned about this as you are. I am sorry to be saying these downer things. I don't mean to be defeatist or tell you that there's no hope. It's just that the situation is really that dire.

Phone cameras are high res. If you live in a city or go out in public often in busy places, then the sheer number of people taking selfies and photos is immense and makes it likely that over time, each of us is caught repeatedly in these photos.

With Facebook et. al's newfound face recognition and social scale, people who have never heard of a computer or phone or Facebook can now be automatically identified and tracked throughout the real world just by your face in other people's social photos.

I realize this dystopia might not accurate portray your life, but it is also meant as a comment for others. Privacy is not an individual choice any more. Our social networks have forced a change in expected privacy and there's little that we can do right now to change that, as the profit motives for the corporations like Facebook are aligned this way.

Note: Yes, being in public has an element of privacy. It is reasonable to expect that if you buy some groceries at a store in Atlanta, and the next week walk to Central Park in NYC, that a company in San Francisco who you have no relationship with would not know about it. But that expectation is now gone, and already it seems wild that we could have ever had it. That is a kind of privacy that is lost forever.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by rhizome »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #25
nabeards wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really consider the ethics of introducing tech like this? I guess it just comes down to a consequentialism vs deontology whether someone thinks this is a good idea. And, obviously, if they don't do it, I guess someone else will?

There was an article about just that the other week, on here I believe. It was detailing how a lot of the controversial tech ideas coming out of places like silicon valley are from these tech/startup moguls who are so disconnected from reality that they don't understand the concept of ethics or technological consequence. To them it doesn't matter how intrusive a design is, if it solves a problem, then that justifies…

I'm willing to consider that they're all confused Futurama fans. They heard "technically correct...the best kind of correct!" and transmogrified it to "technically a good idea, the best kind of idea!"

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by unit91 »

gruez wrote: post #29
txsh wrote: post #15

Do people realy think identities are stolen by criminals peaking over shoulders? And, if so, couldn’t they use a camera, or mirror, or periscope to bypass this software?

or looking at the screen outside the camera's fov, which shouldn't be hard to do considering IPS have up to 178 degrees viewing angle.

For real, good grief. Telescopic lenses and office windows also exist.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by rhizome »

cryptoz wrote: post #41
IntronExon wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could be, it I’ve never uploaded a picture of me anywhere, and I avoid having my picture taken. I’ve never had a social media account with my real identity either, and never had an FB profile, period.

Those are all good steps, and I do want to say, I think our society would be in a better position if more people were concerned about this as you are. I am sorry to be saying these downer things. I don't mean to be defeatist or tell you that there's no hope. It's just that the situation is really that dire. Phone cameras are high res. If you live in a city or go out in public often in busy places, then the sheer numb…

So maybe not "fuck IntraExon," so much as fuck everybody who isn't so vigilant?

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by bringtheaction »

gricardo99 wrote: post #26
nabeards wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really consider the ethics of introducing tech like this? I guess it just comes down to a consequentialism vs deontology whether someone thinks this is a good idea. And, obviously, if they don't do it, I guess someone else will?

The great irony is that often technological innovations are believed to be liberating and done with the motivation of improving the common lot of humanity. Two examples: Social networking - Enabling more meaningful and greater connection between people, leading to greater happiness and fulfillment? Or, fostering more divisions, balkanization into "like" echo chambers, promulgating fear and prejudice, leading to great…

But why would I want to use a government controlled blockchain? For me the concept of decentralization is essential to cryptocurrency.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by DeepYogurt »

jstanley wrote: post #3

Please, no. This has to be a parody. > Banks don’t want private account details (like the user’s current balance and credit limits etc) being seen by anybody other than the account holder. This is exactly the kind of justification they'd use. And surprise surprise there won't be a box that says "I'd rather risk somebody seeing my account details than have a biometric model of my face stored in your database and given…

Not all computers have cameras. Pray that it remains that way.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by nathan_long »

no1youknowz wrote: post #8

I can see from a privacy standpoint, this may cause some concern. However, from a credit card processor point of view and combating "friendly fraud". This could be an excellent tool to prevent that. For example. The scenario where a transaction has been processed and 6 weeks later, it is disputed because the card holder doesn't recognise the transaction. Perhaps the wife used the husbands card whilst he was in the sh…

Credit card processors and banks could do a lot to combat fraud that they don't do. Eg, realtime 2FA per transaction, which, as a bonus, could give the user a chance to categorize the purchase in their budget.

They do exactly the amount of security that they think is most profitable - balancing losses to fraud vs abandoned sales because of inconvenience.

Jumping straight to face recognition is a bit like physical security adding strip searches when they haven't yet bothered visually scanning for weapons.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by gricardo99 »

bringtheaction wrote: post #45
gricardo99 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The great irony is that often technological innovations are believed to be liberating and done with the motivation of improving the common lot of humanity. Two examples: Social networking - Enabling more meaningful and greater connection between people, leading to greater happiness and fulfillment? Or, fostering more divisions, balkanization into "like" echo chambers, promulgating fear and prejudice, leading to great…

But why would I want to use a government controlled blockchain? For me the concept of decentralization is essential to cryptocurrency.

Decentralization is not essential to cryptocurrency as a technology. It's essential to a view of how it could be used for the betterment of many.

The technology can just as easily be applied for other purposes, mandated by an authoritarian government to be the only legal way to conduct commerce. You'd use it not because you want to, but because you want to avoid their ire.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by [deleted] »

gricardo99 wrote: post #26
nabeards wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really consider the ethics of introducing tech like this? I guess it just comes down to a consequentialism vs deontology whether someone thinks this is a good idea. And, obviously, if they don't do it, I guess someone else will?

The great irony is that often technological innovations are believed to be liberating and done with the motivation of improving the common lot of humanity. Two examples: Social networking - Enabling more meaningful and greater connection between people, leading to greater happiness and fulfillment? Or, fostering more divisions, balkanization into "like" echo chambers, promulgating fear and prejudice, leading to great…

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Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

#50

Post by lbotos »

IntronExon wrote: post #20
chrisvalleybay wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most people, the biometric model of their face is available to nearly anyone. Most people have multiple profile photos available on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn etc.

As someone who has been careful about not doing that for a couple of decades, just fuck me, hm?

I'm reading a (sometimes hyperbolic) but interesting "book" on this: Digital Stockholm Syndrome in the Post-Ontological Age:

https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/digital-stock...

"Now, the modern person is determined by data exhaust—an invisible anthropocentric ether of ones and zeros that is a product of our digitally monitored age."

I won't doubt that in 15-20 years, using the process of deduction of your phone/laptop/browsing habits/credit card usage/address info a company could, if bothered, collate that data to get "your picture". And I mean literally zoom in a security cam to snap the photo.

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