Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website • Hacker News Board

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by no1youknowz » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #9

no1youknowz wrote: post #8

I can see from a privacy standpoint, this may cause some concern. However, from a credit card processor point of view and combating "friendly fraud". This could be an excellent tool to prevent that. For example. The scenario where a transaction has been processed and 6 weeks later, it is disputed because the card holder doesn't recognise the transaction. Perhaps the wife used the husbands card whilst he was in the sh…

No. I'm not having a photo of my face and the inside of my home associated with every online purchase. That's ludicrous.

I agree. From a consumer point of view, you are welcome to take that position.

However, my comment was purely from a credit card processor, acquirer or even bank.

At the end of the day, if something like this was introduced. You are free to not comply, pay with an alternative method or shop elsewhere.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by danjoc » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:04 PM UTC

Coursera required face verification recently. Once I found out, I had my course fee refunded and have not signed up for another course.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by tekromancr » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

danso wrote: post #6

wgerard wrote: post #4

There's something about software like this that really creeps me out, even though I realize it's not ridiculously advanced (i.e. it's way more common than I think) anymore. That might just be a personal aversion, though. I can imagine useful scenarios for this even if I get a bit of an icky feeling from it. My co-founder and I have talked about things like this as an "anti-cheating" measure (we developed a take-home…

Some more info about ProctorU (for others who haven't heard about it): https://www.chronicle.com/article/Behind-the-Webcams-Watchfu... > Rather than one proctor sitting at the head of a physical classroom and roaming the aisles every once in a while, remote proctors peer into a student's home, seize control of her computer, and stare at her face for the duration of a test, reading her body language for signs of impro…

Online proctoring is actually a really busy space in edtech. There are numerous companies with products deployed that are fully automated. They record videos of students taking the tests through a webcam, then send the analysis back to the instructors highlighting which videos are worth watching.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by nootropicat » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:10 PM UTC

Black Mirror predicted this in a much more realistic business case - forcing users to view ads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QleMXX24v5g&t=52s

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by txsh » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

Do people realy think identities are stolen by criminals peaking over shoulders?

And, if so, couldn’t they use a camera, or mirror, or periscope to bypass this software?

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by exabrial » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:23 PM UTC

If you can be prosecuted for storing someone's diagnostic medical images improperly under HIPAA law, this seems like a VERY risky thing for a company to implement.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by chrisvalleybay » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:25 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #3

Please, no. This has to be a parody. > Banks don’t want private account details (like the user’s current balance and credit limits etc) being seen by anybody other than the account holder. This is exactly the kind of justification they'd use. And surprise surprise there won't be a box that says "I'd rather risk somebody seeing my account details than have a biometric model of my face stored in your database and given…

For most people, the biometric model of their face is available to nearly anyone. Most people have multiple profile photos available on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn etc.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by thetall0ne » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:26 PM UTC

I think this is really about having powerful machine learning tools like face recognition, image recognition, content personalization and recommendation etc. in the browser.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by exabrial » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:26 PM UTC

danjoc wrote: post #12

Coursera required face verification recently. Once I found out, I had my course fee refunded and have not signed up for another course.

The policy might have been changed? An article I just read says: "taking a photo via webcam, uploading a photo of a picture id issued by the government, and making a record of their typing pattern."

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by IntronExon » Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:29 PM UTC

chrisvalleybay wrote: post #17

jstanley wrote: post #3

Please, no. This has to be a parody. > Banks don’t want private account details (like the user’s current balance and credit limits etc) being seen by anybody other than the account holder. This is exactly the kind of justification they'd use. And surprise surprise there won't be a box that says "I'd rather risk somebody seeing my account details than have a biometric model of my face stored in your database and given…

For most people, the biometric model of their face is available to nearly anyone. Most people have multiple profile photos available on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn etc.

As someone who has been careful about not doing that for a couple of decades, just fuck me, hm?