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There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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@dang why did you delete the "And no one knows why" from the title? Did it sound clickbaity to you? Seems pretty critical to the article to me. The whole thing is about the search for what the hum is, not what the hum is.

Yes, but it's a borderline call, so we'll put it back.

(It's better to send questions like this to hn@ycombinator.com, as the site guidelines ask. When you post in the thread, we only see it by chance.)

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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> Meaning it's just a rendition of a hum, not an actual recording of "the hum". ...what? Did you not open the link at all? Or are you suggesting they're lying? They literally explicitly say it's an actual recording of the Windsor Hum at 11:12pm on August 24, 2011...

It sounds like any generic dubstep wubbler preset you can download. At least from the few seconds they played it without someone talking over it. Seeing the video does not make me less skeptical. I don't know that they're lying, but I do not have great faith in human perception.

Listen to the one linked in the article, not the one embedded in the article https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPDILKQjJW8

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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It sounds like any generic dubstep wubbler preset you can download. At least from the few seconds they played it without someone talking over it. Seeing the video does not make me less skeptical. I don't know that they're lying, but I do not have great faith in human perception.

Listen to the one linked in the article, not the one embedded in the article https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPDILKQjJW8

It sounds like a bassline in my MDR7506 headphones. I've heard a louder version from neighbors' houses when they were having parties.

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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post #79

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It's actually a not unpleasant brown noise-like sound. At least that's how it comes out of my hifi. Over bluetooth and after YouTube compression so perhaps high fidelity isn't the right term.

I'm not sure... for me the unfiltered version was annoying but bearable for a bit... but I could see getting driven mad by it after a while. The filtered version was so bad that it almost made me wonder if I'm going to damage my ears, so I stopped listening to it halfway. I was using decent BT headphones so I'm not sure if that makes any difference... it may depend on how decent your speakers are at playing 30-40 Hz.…

Listened to the recording (via Bluetooth) on headphones known for their good reproduction of low hertz sound, and the original recording was downright uncomfortable for even a few seconds

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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post #199

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If I close my eyes, open my mouth and tilt my head back I can hear a hum. Is this The Hum?

This might be a case of https://www.reddit.com/r/earrumblersassemble/

That got me thinking: what if the hum is a two-part process? First, infrasound/near-DC pressure fluctuation triggers the tensor tympani reflex. Then, in susceptible individuals, the tensor muscle twitches, spasms, or otherwise locks up.

Alternatively, it could be a resonance mode between infrasound stimuli and tension/relaxation of the tensor tympani. Eg. Pressure pulse -> TT reflex -> neural reflex drops as sound is blocked by TT -> repeat.

Total speculation, but this would explain the person-dependent experience, as well as the inefficacy of earplugs, sound dampening, etc.

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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post #101

As one who can hear these sounds, I can attest to how maddening it is. It's even worse when (most of) the people around you can't hear it, and they don't believe you. Earplugs only make it worse, because they filter out ambient noise that otherwise helps distract you from the incessant hum. Daytime is not as bad as night because of the natural activity sounds of a city. I have read that waves and underwater currents…

I was plagued by the Hum for years. At times it became astonishingly loud. But I was able (eventually) to figure it out. Short version: I made many attempts to track it down. Used low frequency Microphones, filters, amplifiers, etc, as well as PC Spectrogram programs to try and and visualise and record it. Visited many nearby industries etc to try and find it. But none of my attempts did any good. As I'm a Radio Engi…

I had very bad tinnitus in my right ear for a few weeks that seriously fucked with my life, and turned out--thank God--to be a sinus issue. A doctor prescribed me a nasal spray and over-the-counter sinus pills, and it started slowly getting better after a few days. I only notice it if I'm looking for it now.

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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If I open the front window and back window in my car then drive at a specific speed I get a very weird woop-woop-woop and it feels like the air is pushing me back and forth in my seat. It pulses my head. Wonder if it is something similar.

My car does this too. No previous car I've owned has had the same issue. Hopefully it isn't inherent to modern automobile aerodynamics because I'd like my next car to be one without it.

When you put one window down, crack the other window a little bit.

https://blog.caranddriver.com/explained-that-weird-throbbing...

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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post #79

I'm listening to this right now [1] and (for those of you who don't have a chance to hear it right now) it definitely isn't what I would call a "hum"... that's way too gentle and not bass enough to describe this sound. I'd call it more like low-frequency rumbling (though that's probably not a perfect word for it either). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPDILKQjJW8

It's actually a not unpleasant brown noise-like sound. At least that's how it comes out of my hifi. Over bluetooth and after YouTube compression so perhaps high fidelity isn't the right term.

I'm wearing over-ear monitors and the rumble is very slightly unsettling in an uncanny way. And that's with all the highpass of the recording. Real life has all that sub 20 Hz that most mics can't pick up. I can see how this could easily drive someone bonkers

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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post #101

As one who can hear these sounds, I can attest to how maddening it is. It's even worse when (most of) the people around you can't hear it, and they don't believe you. Earplugs only make it worse, because they filter out ambient noise that otherwise helps distract you from the incessant hum. Daytime is not as bad as night because of the natural activity sounds of a city. I have read that waves and underwater currents…

I have been working on a project to use some DIY bone conduction "headphones" to do directed noise canceling because I'm on the autistic spectrum and loud places bug the shit out of me and make it so i can't focus. Bone conduction is neat because it works inside your head and doesn't cover your ears. I think BC noise canceling is really under explored for audio related stress issues.

I'm putting a mic on the back of my head to pull the room then stereo directional mics out front to actively noise cancel the room but not the person I'm looking at in a cone that I can fiddle with. Initial tests seem to work! I'm trying to improve it with a crossover for low frequency on the jaw just under my earlobes and a mid/high driver on my temple. I think even a commercial setup for bike riders and some experimentation you might be able to find some relief. I've found them to be lacking in lower frequency which is why I'm using stronger drivers and the below the ear positioning.

Might be something to try playing with. It's pretty inexpensive. I'm using "Surface Transducers" from Adafruit and an STM32F4 Discovery board to process the noise canceling (has great FFT libs). All in my current setup is maybe $150 with a couple iterations under my belt.

Re: There's a Persistent Hum in Windsor, Ontario, and No One Knows Why

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post #125

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Exactly, BT audio uses lossy compression. There are several codecs available but I'm on Linux and the receiver is pretty old so it's probably the weakest of them: SBC. The filtered sound is pretty bad, yes, dread inducing.

Thanks! I had no idea.

Update: For what it's worth, I just tried it with wired headphones (again, a decent pair) and they don't sound different as far as I can tell, so BT compression doesn't seem to be having any observable effects.
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