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In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

mkagenius wrote: post #17
logronoide wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need to visit an optician. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and normally they do). It’s a very simple test. It’s not a ML or AI challenge at all.

But if you have AI, you do not need the optician/doctor. For example people in Poor countries have no access to such a person.

I don't think anyone would say don't build the AI/ML. Just that the technology already exists. Until then, people should continue to see their eye Dr when one is available to them.

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Post by logronoide »

ceejayoz wrote: post #18
logronoide wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said, not only opticians can do it. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and they do). It’s not an ML or AI challenge at all.

There are plenty of Americans who don't have access to a "family doctor". Not everyone can afford or bothers to get an annual checkup. Same reason grocery stores often have a "check your blood pressure" kiosk, or offer flu shots. It's quick, it's convenient, and you reach people who would otherwise miss out. Sure, a doctor or nurse can check your BP or give you the vaccine, but there's a significant benefit to expand…

AI will not fix your healthcare system. Pharmas will charge people as much as they want to access to this screening service. They have been doing this for decades.

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Post by txcwpalpha »

mkagenius wrote: post #17
logronoide wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need to visit an optician. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and normally they do). It’s a very simple test. It’s not a ML or AI challenge at all.

But if you have AI, you do not need the optician/doctor. For example people in Poor countries have no access to such a person.

There are a few startups/companies that specialize in going to poor countries and using lens attachments on cell phones to do eye exams. They send in people who aren't doctors, take a picture of the eye, and email/upload the pictures to doctors who can analyze it for issues.

IIRC, in those situations, the problem isn't the accessibility to a doctor, but rather the accessibility to someone who has a device capable of imaging the eye. I imagine this would be the same. Replacing the doctor with an AI doesn't really solve the problem.

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Post by always_good »

logronoide wrote: post #22
ceejayoz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of Americans who don't have access to a "family doctor". Not everyone can afford or bothers to get an annual checkup. Same reason grocery stores often have a "check your blood pressure" kiosk, or offer flu shots. It's quick, it's convenient, and you reach people who would otherwise miss out. Sure, a doctor or nurse can check your BP or give you the vaccine, but there's a significant benefit to expand…

AI will not fix your healthcare system. Pharmas will charge people as much as they want to access to this screening service. They have been doing this for decades.

>AI will not fix your healthcare system

You've moved the goalposts so much that I'm not sure what your point is anymore. Was it just to boast about Spain?

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Post by txcwpalpha »

ceejayoz wrote: post #18
logronoide wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said, not only opticians can do it. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and they do). It’s not an ML or AI challenge at all.

There are plenty of Americans who don't have access to a "family doctor". Not everyone can afford or bothers to get an annual checkup. Same reason grocery stores often have a "check your blood pressure" kiosk, or offer flu shots. It's quick, it's convenient, and you reach people who would otherwise miss out. Sure, a doctor or nurse can check your BP or give you the vaccine, but there's a significant benefit to expand…

>but there's a significant benefit to expanded access.

I agree that expanded access to diagnostic tools is great, but access to diagnostic tools is only part of the problem. Access to care following your diagnosis is just as, if not more, important.

What are you going to do after this kiosk tells you that you have heart disease? The proper answer is: go see your doctor. But if you're someone who is in a situation where you don't have access to a family doctor, your situation has not improved.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by matte_black »

ceejayoz wrote: post #12
matte_black wrote: post #10

What do you do after you discover you are at risk? Get your affairs in order?

Adjust diet, exercise, statins, get a cardiology consult?

But if you’re already at the point where you are at risk and your eyes show it, isn’t it already too late to really do anything about it?

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by tinymollusk »

matte_black wrote: post #10

What do you do after you discover you are at risk? Get your affairs in order?

It gives a high-risk group the ability to notify their friends and family and practice what to do in event of a heart attack. My mom frequently stays with me, but outside of "call 911" I don't really know what to do in teh event of a heart attack. Time lost is lives lost, so better preparation could quite literally save lives.
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