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In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by ceejayoz »

logronoide wrote: post #9
ceejayoz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd suspect the tools will eventually be dramatically cheaper than a trained optician. Put it in a pharmacy, grocery store, or other central location and people could screen weekly instead of once every couple years (assuming they even see an optician).

As I have explained before, in Spain an optician does not charge anything for it because it’s ridiculously simple and it’s a small percentage of the effort that an optician needs to do for a prescription. This test is different of a blood test for example. You don’t need to control the evolution weekly, or even monthly. This is one of the most simple screening process. Because it’s easy to train the model with tons o…

You're missing a very key point. Many people with normal eyesight never see an optician. They might use a kiosk at the grocery store.

It's also a first step proof-of-concept towards harder diagnoses.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by logronoide »

cortesoft wrote: post #8
logronoide wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already exists. Most opticians take a image of your retina and store it in the cloud for further analysis and tracking the evolution. In Spain (where I live) most opticians do not charge anything for this test, because it’s a minimal part of a typical prescription.

Yeah, but I have great eyesight and haven't been to an optician in 15 years. However, I might still be at risk of a heart attack.

You don’t need to visit an optician. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and normally they do).

It’s a very simple test. It’s not a ML or AI challenge at all.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by logronoide »

ceejayoz wrote: post #11
logronoide wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I have explained before, in Spain an optician does not charge anything for it because it’s ridiculously simple and it’s a small percentage of the effort that an optician needs to do for a prescription. This test is different of a blood test for example. You don’t need to control the evolution weekly, or even monthly. This is one of the most simple screening process. Because it’s easy to train the model with tons o…

You're missing a very key point. Many people with normal eyesight never see an optician. They might use a kiosk at the grocery store. It's also a first step proof-of-concept towards harder diagnoses.

As I said, not only opticians can do it. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and they do).

It’s not an ML or AI challenge at all.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by amingilani »

logronoide wrote: post #9
ceejayoz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd suspect the tools will eventually be dramatically cheaper than a trained optician. Put it in a pharmacy, grocery store, or other central location and people could screen weekly instead of once every couple years (assuming they even see an optician).

As I have explained before, in Spain an optician does not charge anything for it because it’s ridiculously simple and it’s a small percentage of the effort that an optician needs to do for a prescription. This test is different of a blood test for example. You don’t need to control the evolution weekly, or even monthly. This is one of the most simple screening process. Because it’s easy to train the model with tons o…

Simple? Yes but there's absolutely value in this. In Pakistan I've never had an opthalmologist comment on my retina before, despite wearing glasses since I was a child.

Not everyone has an opthalmologist brother, or is a machine learning engineer. You should have used this to your advantage to make something like this.

How many startups make simple applications? Uber is a simple marketplace, as is Airbnb, and PayPal is a glorified accounting database. Please don't downplay the impact of a product because of its simplicity.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by mkagenius »

logronoide wrote: post #13
cortesoft wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but I have great eyesight and haven't been to an optician in 15 years. However, I might still be at risk of a heart attack.

You don’t need to visit an optician. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and normally they do). It’s a very simple test. It’s not a ML or AI challenge at all.

But if you have AI, you do not need the optician/doctor. For example people in Poor countries have no access to such a person.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by ceejayoz »

logronoide wrote: post #14
ceejayoz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing a very key point. Many people with normal eyesight never see an optician. They might use a kiosk at the grocery store. It's also a first step proof-of-concept towards harder diagnoses.

As I said, not only opticians can do it. A family doctor with a lantern can do it (and they do). It’s not an ML or AI challenge at all.

There are plenty of Americans who don't have access to a "family doctor". Not everyone can afford or bothers to get an annual checkup.

Same reason grocery stores often have a "check your blood pressure" kiosk, or offer flu shots. It's quick, it's convenient, and you reach people who would otherwise miss out. Sure, a doctor or nurse can check your BP or give you the vaccine, but there's a significant benefit to expanded access.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

cortesoft wrote: post #8
logronoide wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already exists. Most opticians take a image of your retina and store it in the cloud for further analysis and tracking the evolution. In Spain (where I live) most opticians do not charge anything for this test, because it’s a minimal part of a typical prescription.

Yeah, but I have great eyesight and haven't been to an optician in 15 years. However, I might still be at risk of a heart attack.

You might also be at risk for blindness! Please, please, please go see an eye Dr! It's isn't just about how clear your vision is. These are your eyes.

Re: In our eyes, Google’s software sees heart attack risk

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Post by logronoide »

amingilani wrote: post #15
logronoide wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I have explained before, in Spain an optician does not charge anything for it because it’s ridiculously simple and it’s a small percentage of the effort that an optician needs to do for a prescription. This test is different of a blood test for example. You don’t need to control the evolution weekly, or even monthly. This is one of the most simple screening process. Because it’s easy to train the model with tons o…

Simple? Yes but there's absolutely value in this. In Pakistan I've never had an opthalmologist comment on my retina before, despite wearing glasses since I was a child. Not everyone has an opthalmologist brother, or is a machine learning engineer. You should have used this to your advantage to make something like this. How many startups make simple applications? Uber is a simple marketplace, as is Airbnb, and PayPal…

AI and ML should take mankind to a new level. This article describes something that opticians and optometrist have been doing for a long time with a more classic computing algorithmic approach.
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