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Re: Just teach my kid the math

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My (very limited) experience of more recent homework is that it makes perfect sense in the context of what the teachers are trying to teach, but no sense out of context to people who learned their maths decades ago. If you'd care to send me a photo of an example of the homework then I can try to give you some context and understanding. My contact details can be derived from my HN profile. I might be a little slow to…

... makes perfect sense in the context of what the teachers are trying to teach ... What's the point with home work then? School takes the best part of a childs day, and when they don't make it through, the parents can finish with a tired child.

"Homework" is supposed to be practising skills they have already learned so they can make it more fluent, and have to concentrate on it less when they come to the next thing to learn. Learning things is done with the teacher there to help anticipate, identify, and correct misconceptions.

If you want the parent to help with the homework, the parent will have to know the material they want to help with. In maths, that's rarely the case unless it's the same thing they learned. And that's now out-of-date.

Parents say they want their students to learn new, modern maths, and then insist that they are taught exactly what they were taught. And hated.

Having said that, I'm really not going to defend anything about the existing setup and system. This is a huge mess, and while I have my own ideas, there's no way a discussion here will change anything, and it's likely that things I do say will be taken out of context, twisted, and mis-understood.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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I did A-level maths, I've programmed computers for 30 years since I was a kid. Ive implanted algorithms to calculate solar irradiance varying by orientation, inclination and latitude. I don't understand what my 7yo stepsons maths homework is asking him to do/learn. It's just weird and I'm not sure he always does either, it teaches the how (weirdly) but never the why, I've started teaching him how to understand the pr…

My (very limited) experience of more recent homework is that it makes perfect sense in the context of what the teachers are trying to teach, but no sense out of context to people who learned their maths decades ago. If you'd care to send me a photo of an example of the homework then I can try to give you some context and understanding. My contact details can be derived from my HN profile. I might be a little slow to…

And techers are trying to teach how to make change?

I understand “anchoring to fives and tens” but I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s a good way to do anything except confuse kids.

Does independent research prove these approaches increase numeracy?

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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I did A-level maths, I've programmed computers for 30 years since I was a kid. Ive implanted algorithms to calculate solar irradiance varying by orientation, inclination and latitude. I don't understand what my 7yo stepsons maths homework is asking him to do/learn. It's just weird and I'm not sure he always does either, it teaches the how (weirdly) but never the why, I've started teaching him how to understand the pr…

So, I know a lot less about math than you do. However, I have been studying lately myself, and reading a lot of Martin Gardner and Serge Lang; Both of those (and many of the other math types I read) seem to hold that making math practical can be useful... but it's not the point of learning math any more than learning how to spell correctly is the point of studying literature.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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I did A-level maths, I've programmed computers for 30 years since I was a kid. Ive implanted algorithms to calculate solar irradiance varying by orientation, inclination and latitude. I don't understand what my 7yo stepsons maths homework is asking him to do/learn. It's just weird and I'm not sure he always does either, it teaches the how (weirdly) but never the why, I've started teaching him how to understand the pr…

Understanding why has always been my primary way to learn things. Do you have any suggestions for books or courses I could dig into to better understand this approach. My oldest who is 8 is quite good at math and on the math team and his school does do a lot to teach them but I want to help him how to think. In almost every other field I can but I am not good enough at math to understand which "games" to play.

I personally find Serge Lang's "Basic Mathematics" to be super useful in explaining the "why" of a particular formula in pre-college level math, as most books at my current level just seem to say "memorize this" He has an explanation of why x^0 is 1 and not 0 that doesn't involve calculus, for instance.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My (very limited) experience of more recent homework is that it makes perfect sense in the context of what the teachers are trying to teach, but no sense out of context to people who learned their maths decades ago. If you'd care to send me a photo of an example of the homework then I can try to give you some context and understanding. My contact details can be derived from my HN profile. I might be a little slow to…

And techers are trying to teach how to make change? I understand “anchoring to fives and tens” but I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s a good way to do anything except confuse kids. Does independent research prove these approaches increase numeracy?

> And teachers are trying to teach how to make change?

No, the "making change" comment is an example of how these techniques of thinking about numbers do turn up in real life.

> I understand “anchoring to fives and tens” but I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s a good way to do anything except confuse kids.

It's a part of a broader strategy to talk about the structure of numbers and the operations on them.

> Does independent research prove these approaches increase numeracy?

Yes. I don't have access to it and can't give you any links, but there has been a lot of research about how to move away from the rote learning of algorithms and move towards understanding what numbers are and how they work. I've seen some of the research as a peripheral part of some of the projects I've been involved with, and it seems that these sorts of exercises really do serve to help students see more about what's really going on.

The problem is the parents pushing back because they don't understand it, and don't believe it can be useful or helpful. For me, it seems obvious that this is a better way to think about things.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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My problem with the "new math" is the lack of volume. Developing a sense for the numbers is best done by working more with numbers; in the "old math" kids had to do thousands of additions in the first and second grade, and developed ten times the sense of numbers compared to kids today.

Theory is theory, but practice is practice. Just get over the addition and multiplication, please. That's not where the true math is. Don't spend so much time on finding the true meaning of addition by carry, you won't have time to teach kids logarithms and integrals later.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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There is a reason why most people hate math.

IMAO the current system of teaching math is ancient and above all deprecated. We should not punish our kids with it. I mean, what's the point of drilling stupid sums if you'll hardly ever need it in your life? I think it is totally stupid and irresponsible if anyone does calculations without a calculator for almost any application, not excluding: store checkout, health care, aviation, etc.. The current educational methods are way pre-computer era, it desperately needs an upgrade.

So why not start teaching kids concepts and let them use the technologies we create to solve problems that our minds are not wired for? Ever seen a teacher without a cheat sheet checking the answers? Guess why? Because their own calculations are too slow and above all not to be trusted! And should I not use a debugger because theoretically we can write proper code without it? Come on..

Please stop teaching our kids deprecated workflows. Teach them the best practice, the best way we know and can do now, because: "As the twig is bent the tree is inclined".

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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What seems to happen in practice is the parents end up asking the teachers why they're teaching that way, and the teachers can't actually explain it. Obviously, the parents don't walk away impressed.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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Is there a common core method to teach arithmetic in different a different base, like 8 or 16?

The "old way" algorithm still works with different bases, you just change extend or truncate the rule for when to carry.

Easy to teach your kid hexadecimal arithmetic using old way, like how my parents taught me in like grade 4 or 5 - and now I program for a living, haha

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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This is a really good essay on what's wrong with how we teach mathematics to children: A Mathematicians Lament https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament....

It's rather long, at 25 pages, but it's a very good and entertaining read. It was written in 2002 but it still holds water today.

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