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Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by rstupek »

ATsch wrote: post #97
jakubp wrote: post #92

Quotes from @searchliaison: "Today we're launching some changes on Google Images to help connect users and useful websites." "Ultimately, Google Images is a way for people to discover information in cases where browsing images is a better experience than text." Do you believe any of these statements? I am still surprised how easily corporations will hide their true motives, resolve any cognitive dissonance internally…

I feel somewhat angry at this tweet. Not because the feature is gone but because they are daft enough to assume that they can sell this as an improvement to their users and anyone will believe it.

I'm waiting for the first person to sue google because chrome allows people to view the source of the page violating their copyright, or right click save as to save an image from the site and thus violating copyright and google pitching that as an improvement to the browser

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by Havoc »

jaysonelliot wrote: post #316

Image search is one place where Bing actually beats Google. Their results are nearly always better, I personally prefer their UI, and now they have the advantage of supporting this simple yet valuable feature. It will probably take me some time to lose my muscle memory that leads me to Google's image search and get used to going to Bing instead, but this was a great catalyst for me to start changing my habits.

>Image search is one place where Bing actually beats Google.

Video search too in some sub-domains.

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by CivBase »

I get that Google made this change to settle with Getty Images - and I have some gripes about the PR-speak and implementation on Google's behalf - but I keep coming back to the same question. What grounds does Getty even have in a case like that?

Getty offered the images up on the public domain. Why does Google have any obligation to direct them to a webpage instead of the image itself? Isn't that Getty's problem? The "view image" button sent users to Getty's own servers, so why should Google take any heat over a feature Getty supports?

I think it's much shadier that Google is hosting copies of those copyrighted images for use in their own search tool, but this settlement does nothing to resolve that. That Verge article even posited a workaround which just uses the Goolge-hosted copy of the image! Isn't this the kind of stuff Google has invested millions of dollars into copyright-detection AI to avoid? And wouldn't images like that be covered by the DMCA anyways?

I obviously don't have any legal experience and copyright law is a nightmare, but I don't understand why Google would have make any compromises here aside from complying with DMCA requests.

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Post by dalbasal »

marnett wrote: post #334
dalbasal wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree on the general point. Corporate culture and the meaningless ways of talking that go with it are both (a) extremely dominant part of overall culture and (b) extremely disengenious and repressed. We talk like this a lot, among colleagues, to customers, politicians talk this way. I'm not sure what's going on here though. It definitely isn't "some changes on Google Images to help connect users and useful websites…

It is not non-sense or meaningless though, and thinking that is dangerous. It is corporate propaganda and it is outrageously effective at shaping thought both internally and externally (internally being, perhaps, the most important portion). Linguistically speaking, the language we use has a material impact on how we think about the underlying ideas.

Good point. I guess a lot of what we say generally, doesn't have explicit meaning. That doesn't mean it's the same as silence, it's quite impactful.

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Post by imhelpingu »

jakubp wrote: post #92

Quotes from @searchliaison: "Today we're launching some changes on Google Images to help connect users and useful websites." "Ultimately, Google Images is a way for people to discover information in cases where browsing images is a better experience than text." Do you believe any of these statements? I am still surprised how easily corporations will hide their true motives, resolve any cognitive dissonance internally…

I'm sure it doesn't feel like they work for a stereotypical evil corporation or anything like that.

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by PricelessValue »

bitL wrote: post #183
jakubp wrote: post #92

Quotes from @searchliaison: "Today we're launching some changes on Google Images to help connect users and useful websites." "Ultimately, Google Images is a way for people to discover information in cases where browsing images is a better experience than text." Do you believe any of these statements? I am still surprised how easily corporations will hide their true motives, resolve any cognitive dissonance internally…

Google is now a firm part of establishment, i.e. protecting the old ways of making money instead of inventing new ones. They initially looked like a company that could find better ways but it seems like prevailing winds were stronger in the end. The "to help connect users and useful websites" while removing that possibility is just usual expected spin associated with classical businesses. YouTube is also turning into…

> Google is now a firm part of establishment

They have been for a while now. They have a deal with the washingtonpost and nytimes to "feature" those two newspapers on google news and search. Check the waybackmachine and see how frequently washingtonpost and nytimes articles were on google news five years ago to now. It's incredible how prominently those two newspapers, but especially washingtonpost, are promoted on google now.

It also extends to their other properties like youtube. Look how heavily they are promoting kimmel, john oliver and other late night shows now.

But it applies to almost all of tech. The pressure put on tech by the establishment and their propaganda organs was too much.

Even HN is openly supporting the washingtonpost, nytimes and the establishment. I believe the mods called it "the standard". A "hacker" news site supporting establishment mouth pieces. Years ago, washingtonpost and the nytimes were scorned by HN. It's amazing how things change.

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Post by z3t4 »

akerro wrote: post #305
z3t4 wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are arguing to save a minor amount of bandwidth VS saving thousands of man-hours.

>save a minor amount of bandwidth I dont think that's minor: https://www.cnet.com/news/google-goes-down-for-5-minutes-int... now imagine google has to check if every link it will show still exists. That's like billions of trillions of request per hour world-wide. And another thing is a privacy issue, I know, google doesnt give a shit about it, but some people do. Think that you search for 'smelly poo' and 10 differen…

I doubt Google account for 40% of Internet traffic. How would you even measure that !? What most likely happened was they saw a 40% drop in traffic on their servers while Google was down.

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Post by mygo »

da_chicken wrote: post #346
mygo wrote: post #339

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This is my gripe with Facebook and why I stopped using it. Biaaaaootch, I added people to my friends list because I want to see their posts. Ditch the dang algorithm and literally just show me everyone’s posts, in chronological order. That’s all you literally have to do. Don’t worry about me getting annoyed by spam, idiots who abuse their status updates will be blocked or defriended by me and everyone else who isnt h…

Yeah, the biggest problem with these types of algorithms is that they show that the application developers don't trust the user to know what they want and trust the user to fix their own problems. It's one thing for an application to provide sensible defaults. It's another thing entirely if it just second guesses the user.

The sad thing is the algorithm fixed zero problems for me. And it introduced the problem of hiding things that I did in fact want to see.. for no good reason other than apparently for their engineers to feel like they did something. Because how can they justify their paychecks when the newsfeed sorting order hasn’t changed since its prime of ~2009?

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Post by akerro »

z3t4 wrote: post #357
akerro wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>save a minor amount of bandwidth I dont think that's minor: https://www.cnet.com/news/google-goes-down-for-5-minutes-int... now imagine google has to check if every link it will show still exists. That's like billions of trillions of request per hour world-wide. And another thing is a privacy issue, I know, google doesnt give a shit about it, but some people do. Think that you search for 'smelly poo' and 10 differen…

I doubt Google account for 40% of Internet traffic. How would you even measure that !? What most likely happened was they saw a 40% drop in traffic on their servers while Google was down.

Eh... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/17/google_outage/

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by gumby »

amelius wrote: post #197
Buge wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the follow up tweets is more honest: >For those asking, yes, these changes came about in part due to our settlement with Getty Images this week (see also https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/15/17017864/google-removes-v... …). They are designed to strike a balance between serving user needs and publisher concerns, both stakeholders we value. https://twitter.com/searchliaison/status/964279749802512384

Google, just give me the option to ignore Getty images altogether. Why does Google always think they know what is best for me?

They do, just add -site:gettyimages.com to your search.
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