I think those chat boxes are rude. Here I'm am browsing the web in my underpants and some dude sneaks up on me like "hey, I see you are visiting our site! Wanna chat ?". Instead make it so that the user needs to make active action, eg clicking on a link to start the chat.
Strongly agree. Whenever something annoys me, I find the first person I can who is remotely associated with that thing and hold nothing back as I verbally abuse them and sexually harass them.
Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
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The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that women in tech (STEM?) have somehow different/worse experience than women in general. Or at least I can not imagine why that would be the case - are educated and intelligent men more sexist than the average Joe? I think the main difference is that in tech we are much more open to acknowledge the problem and discuss it.
> The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that women in tech (STEM?) have somehow different/worse experience than women in general. I'm not sure that's a statement I'd make. I don't think I know enough to say that. It's tempting to let myself get nerd-sniped into a longer, less productive discussion comparing different fields and pontificating on different possible causes, but then I'd be making the same mist…
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#624Amazing. The author spends a lot of time to tell us a very convincing story how sexism affects people in our industry, and the Hacker News thread is full of people rationalizing it. - it's only because people think you're a bot - it's because of your target audience - it's because chat widgets are annoying - you don't really have enough data to make any conclusions How much will it take to convince the average HN rea…
Anecdotal and not really a big problem, but it took me having to put my coke in a coffee cup to be taken seriously in meetings to really "get it".
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You can't make that blanket statement. A single punch is battery. A single genital grab is sexual assault. A single demand for quid pro quo sexual favors in exchange for professional rewards is sexual harassment. A single message asserting that an individual is not right for their job because of their gender creates a hostile work environment, and that's also sexual harassment. Just because there can be cases where a…
A single event can be illegal, immoral, wrong, or any one of a bunch of other words, and a single event is never harassment because harassment requires multiple events. A single demand for quid pro quo sexual favors in exchange for professional rewards is a sexual offence, a bad one, and alone it is not harassment. IANAL, though the dictionary definition sticks with me, especially the key words: "multiple", "unwanted…
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#626Since the post is framed as a gender issue, let me offer another view that I think is evidently good to remember in the conversation: according to studies, men are more likely to experience online harrasment [1]. [1] http://www.pewinternet.org/2017/07/11/online-harassment-2017...
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I'm not talking about what women want, I'm saying that I know firsthand that many men I know love the women in their lives very much, much more than life itself. That's all. There certainly are men out there who hate women, but it doesn't seem to me to be very many. Try it, enumerate the men you know and ask yourself, or even ask them directly, if they love the women in their lives. What fraction of women haters do y…
Your last paragraph is totally correct, in my opinion. (It is probably also true that many people who use "racist" insults are not really being "racist"; they are just insulting in an effective, target-specific way. If they couldn't come up with a racist insult, but the target has glasses, they'd probably resort to "four-eyes". I'm talking about the UK here, by the way.)
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#628I always assumed these messages were automated helper bots, I didn't realize they are people on the other end. Now I feel a little bad about being so curt when I use them like I'm searching an FAQ.
Still not as bad as surveys ("Yes, your website was fine until you popped up a modal for this survey which broke my interaction...")
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#629Although I think "Apparently, people don’t hit on cats, so I was mostly free from harassment for a while" is not actually true on large enough sample sizes, terrifyingly. I follow cat feeds on instagram and see some terrifying comments.
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You have some very good points, but your tone comes across as emotional and aggressive enough to inadvertently turn off some of your intended audience. So, in your case a little ‘appeal to emotion’ may help. Maybe you guys can meet in the middle.
The same could be said about the post they replied to though, somebody made a valid point and is met with a sarcastic reply that implicitly equates criticism of a study with trying to invalidate the entire problem the study tries to underline. Let's be honest, be it here on HN, on reddit, or on twitter, this isn't a topic that you can have a conversation about without people on either side getting emotional and somew…