German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal • Hacker News Board

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by rock_hard » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 7:30 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #385

rock_hard wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep saying that...yet FB succeeded with MySpace in the market. Same with Instagram, WhatsApp and Snapchat.

Myspace was pretty much dead the moment facebook arrived. It's true that companies like Facebook can be replaced, but they almost never coexist or directly compete. Chat services usually split geographically. Wechat in China, Whatsapp outside of the US, snapchat in the US. Anecdotally I know very few people who simultaneously use multiple messenger apps or switch around a lot. (For the reason outlined in the post bef…

Anecdotally I know a lot of people who use IG, FB, WhatsApp and Snapchat along side just fine though.

Lets use some math to answer this:

2 billion Smartphones users 2 billion Facebook users (Smartphone mostly) 1 billion Instagram users (Smartphone only) 1 billion WhatsApp users (Smartphone mostly)

So just looking at these numbers there must be a huge overlap in usage

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by waytogo » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 7:12 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #234

waytogo wrote: post #94

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> Facebook will do just fine, they had years to prepare and an army of lawyers. They won't do fine. Don't want to go into details but their actual products/required architectures for their products just can't be GDPR compliant. And they didn't prepare anything. You confuse them with Google--they prepared GDPR but FB? Btw, one of GDPR's key motivation was to take FB down.

A grandiose claim offering nothing better than "don't want to go into details" counts as unsubstantive and flamebait, two qualities that are deprecated here. In the future, could you please either make a comment like this substantive, or just not post? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Dang, no need to get aggressive. I was on mobile and had not the time explain why all products around Facebook—which need to collect user's behavioural data to target ads etc.—can't ever get compliant with the strict GDPR. I guess you are not informed about GDPR. If you were my prior message with a "don't want to go into details" would be have been super clear.

So, this is a misunderstanding and again your aggressive tone is for somebody who is representing YC just sad.

Besides, thanks that you gave my profile more gravity when posting comments. Now my comments drop so quickly (first seconds after posting) and people with 0 karma move above me.

Great way to deal with different opinions, Dang.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by rmc » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 1:03 PM UTC

mseebach wrote: post #224

waytogo wrote: post #18

Wait until GDPR is in place in May and German and other EU courts will rule FB to death. IDK how FB will ever be compliant with GDPR and survive that huge upcoming fines in the long term or in the worst case the withdrawal from these markets.

> Wait until GDPR is in place in May and German and other EU courts will rule FB to death. If indeed GDPR will enable those courts to "rule FB to death", and not, as repeatedly promised, be entirely reasonable to comply with, including for Facebook, obviously Facebook will shut down in Europe (and so will a good number of other popular services), and tell their millions of former users why. Here's a quick, free lesso…

If FB gives up on the EU market, then they've opened a massive weak spot for themselves. Social networks benefit from the more connections between people.

If FB leave the EU, then some EU company can copy the software (we know what kind of features people want), and this company will be able to operate in EU and USA, but FB will not be able to operate in EU, giving this EU company a massive benefit and safe harbor.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by rmc » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 1:06 PM UTC

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #120

I'd argue there is no way to properly communicate to the average facebook user how their data is being collected and used in a way that is transparent but not confusing. For example, explain to someone who is illiterate in technology how the act of you "tagging" your friend in a photo is to offload image labeling work to train a deep neural network to infer your friend's face. If you radically simplify the issue in l…

I agree that it is ominous, and you're describing a benefit of the GDPR.