Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

Post by Sacho » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 9:11 AM UTC

Certhas wrote: post #109

dazc wrote: post #14

These chat messenger pop-ups can be quite annoying, the example on the site mentioned is typically 'in your face'. What's particularly frustrating with this one is that there is already a prominent speech bubble icon in the corner of the screen that suggests they have a chat feature - if I want it. It doesn't need to crack open after a second and slap me. I am not defending the obvious misogyny here but I think an ex…

Article: "Here is absolutely convincing evidence of the extreme sexism enabled by/encountered on the internet" Top comment: "Pop up chat boxes are really annoying. Also I don't know what objective means. But I have added a token: Not defending the sexism sentence."

Post by around_here » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 9:14 AM UTC

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #125

around_here wrote: post #116

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Probably quite a bit because this is "private". Most people don't witness these kinds of things off the internet, or run with groups who never do this outside of one-to-ones with mostly disconnected people. I don't dispute her results at all, but I can basically guarantee you that I haven't been around where a woman has said "hi" to someone and they're all "Yea, eff your mom". Only confounding factor I think comes in…

Sure, people think it’s a bot. But what is happening in their brain that makes them so much more likely to be nasty when the chat program looks like a woman? If it’s just because they think it’s a bot, why does gender appear to be so significant?

Post by guy98238710 » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 9:17 AM UTC

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #125

around_here wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably quite a bit because this is "private". Most people don't witness these kinds of things off the internet, or run with groups who never do this outside of one-to-ones with mostly disconnected people. I don't dispute her results at all, but I can basically guarantee you that I haven't been around where a woman has said "hi" to someone and they're all "Yea, eff your mom". Only confounding factor I think comes in…

Sure, people think it’s a bot. But what is happening in their brain that makes them so much more likely to be nasty when the chat program looks like a woman? If it’s just because they think it’s a bot, why does gender appear to be so significant?

Post by hueving » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 9:21 AM UTC

jakobegger wrote: post #113

verroq wrote: post #105

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"Rude people are sexist" or "Sexist people are rude" is about the only conclusion you can draw here (maybe not even that, correlation != causation etc etc) It doesn't even come close to showing how "sexism is everywhere". For all we know the sample could be entirely edgy 12 year olds. Tell me again how this self-admittedly "non-rigorous scientific study" proves "sexism is everywhere"? It could easily be that more att…

You're probably new to HN, so you might not have seen all the other stories about sexism posted in the last year or so. A single story like this doesn't prove anything, but the flood of stories just like that paint a pretty clear picture. At some point you can no longer say: "This is an isolated incident".

Post by loup-vaillant » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 9:25 AM UTC

AlexTTT wrote: post #121

jakobegger wrote: post #101

Amazing. The author spends a lot of time to tell us a very convincing story how sexism affects people in our industry, and the Hacker News thread is full of people rationalizing it. - it's only because people think you're a bot - it's because of your target audience - it's because chat widgets are annoying - you don't really have enough data to make any conclusions How much will it take to convince the average HN rea…

"Sexism is actually everywhere" is an extremely strong statement. Such a strong statement requires an extraordinary amount of work (going far beyond mere observations) to be proven. I personally would be very interested to know why "Julia" is being insulted much more than "Eric", but saying "this is because of sexism" is no better than saying that "the sun is bright because it shines".