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Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by gnulinux »

EpicEng wrote: post #162
sofaofthedamned wrote: post #157

For the last 15 years or so i've earned my money doing Linux stuff. Before then I was doing VB/.NET/SQL Server etc. January 2016 I worked at a secure facility that wanted an entire system doing malware analysis. The bare servers were running Linux, but some of the software used Windows so there were Windows VMs there. Usual KVM stuff. Bear in mind this is a closed system and the Windows VMs were ephemeral, i.e. had t…

>Windows is done Your use case is very niche compared to how MS makes most of its money on Windows licenses. Windows isn't going anywhere until it's no longer pre-loaded on every machine, enterprise customers stop buying it completely, and Linux is much more user friendly on the desktop. I don't disagree with anything else you said, admin'ing windows boxes is a terrible experience.

> Linux is much more user friendly on the desktop.

Linux is much more user friendly than Windows. This is completely arbitrary metric, I am very comfortable using GNOME, KDE, awesomeWM and i3 but whenever someone hands me some Win 7 or Win 10 I just can't figure out anything for a while. Stuff starts jumping around and there are literally ads built into OS which annoys me. Windows may be user friendly for 90% of the population BUT this is only because it is "pre-loaded on every machine" as you put it. That is the only reason people find Windows easier to use.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by valtism »

derrikcurran wrote: post #265

There are so many accounts of Windows 10 being installed, (re)installing apps, adding tiles that were previously removed, etc. without permission... but none of it has ever happened to me and I don't understand why. It's bewildering. Maybe it's because I have Windows 10 Pro instead of Home? The only thing I've seen is that it's pretty aggressive about badgering me to restart for an update (but doesn't restart until I…

I can personally attest to this happening. Candy Crush kept popping back up, completely installed after I removed it. I'm sure I didn't accidentally click any dialogue boxes popping up asking for it to be installed.

I've only recently come back to Windows from MacOS for work, and this (along with the invasive tracking that doesn't turn off even if you turn the settings off) floored me.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by cutler »

sofaofthedamned wrote: post #157

For the last 15 years or so i've earned my money doing Linux stuff. Before then I was doing VB/.NET/SQL Server etc. January 2016 I worked at a secure facility that wanted an entire system doing malware analysis. The bare servers were running Linux, but some of the software used Windows so there were Windows VMs there. Usual KVM stuff. Bear in mind this is a closed system and the Windows VMs were ephemeral, i.e. had t…

I wish it was true but come on, Linux may be good for many uses but simple things like decent font rendering still aren't up to par with Windows or Mac so forget desktop Linux for the masses.

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Post by dagw »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #163
TomMarius wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about AutoCAD, Inventor, Photoshop, AfterEffects, Lightroom, ...?

Autocad/inventor->OpenScad/FreeCad Photoshop->Gimp or just run it with wine Lightroom->Darktable Here's a few other pretty awesome art tools you might want to know about BTW: Krita Blender Inkscape If we're doing "what abouts" though, what about: freely interchangable desktop layouts native docker support a user-friendly terminal an os kernel that is designed to be malware resistant Like seriously buddy, the GUI desk…

Autocad/inventor->OpenScad/FreeCad

I'm sorry, but that is a complete joke. The distance between gimp and photoshop or darkroom and lightroom is tiny compared to the distance between even base autocad and the open source alternatives. And that's before we start talking about autocad variants like Civil3d and all the third party tools that are built on top of autocad.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by greenknight »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #26
unethical_ban wrote: post #19

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Because the XBOX and PS and Switch are totally safe, open source products that respect personal information. Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows.

>Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows. You can make an argument about the size of the respective platform's game libraries, but not about their performance. Games on Linux often perform as well as or better than Windows. There's no clear trend that suggests the performance of games on Linux are worse than o…

Actually, competitive esports players consistently play at a higher refresh rate than what is displayed (CS:GO in particular).... the main reason is that the computer is computes the inputs at the framerate, regardless of whats shown on screen.

This leads to a more responsive and fluid response to your input commands... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0

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Post by [deleted] »

JepZ wrote: post #275
EpicEng wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Windows is done Your use case is very niche compared to how MS makes most of its money on Windows licenses. Windows isn't going anywhere until it's no longer pre-loaded on every machine, enterprise customers stop buying it completely, and Linux is much more user friendly on the desktop. I don't disagree with anything else you said, admin'ing windows boxes is a terrible experience.

> [...] and Linux is much more user friendly on the desktop. Actually, I am not sure if Linux is in fact user unfriendly. I mean, my grandpa (78) uses it every day since about a year now and hasn't complained once (email, banking, ebay, news, ...; he used vista before). I mean it's not like you don't have to learn a lot of new stuff if you come from years of windows experience and want to reach the same level of prof…

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Post by gruez »

djaychela wrote: post #124
TwoNineA wrote: post #27

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Why is MS cramming down my throat some 3D Pain thing, Augmented Reality crap and other apps I don't care about? Edit: Oh and Camera app. On a desktop. Without even a webcam. What is the justification for that?

>some 3D Pain thing Was that intentional? Made me laugh either way.

*paint

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by colemickens »

soared wrote: post #171
thomastjeffery wrote: post #121

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I'm getting sick of this dichotomy. It's trivial to install both. Keep windows 10 on a partition big enough for your games/Netflix/etc., and use Debian/Archlinux/NixOS/whatever for everything else.

Trivial for someone who could use linux. 99.9% of computer users don't even know dual booting is possible. Also my laptop literally cannot have linux installed on it thanks to UEFI.

Never once has this been true when I've pressed someone on it. It's FUD that's been repeated for years and oft reinvigorated by people that can't be bothered to Google or change a couple UEFI settings.

It's not even true in many (most?) cases that Secure Boot must be disabled.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Sylos »

emodendroket wrote: post #187
hokkos wrote: post #91

Windows has a new feature called "Controlled Folder Access", it is a security mecanism that protect from ransomware. It is a great idea, but the implementation is annoying. It block write access to selected directories, so lot of software fail to add a link to the desktop, or add files in the Documents folder. It should have protect agains delete not new file creation. Also the default Defender antivirus is so slow,…

To protect from ransomware you need to at least prevent modification of existing files.

Which he did not argue against. He said that creating new files should still be possible.
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