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Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by m_fayer »

Scramblejams wrote: post #4

It’s hard to believe that the loss of goodwill is worth whatever revenue Microsoft’s gaining from this, so I have to assume this is them dipping their toe into a strategy that attempts to make them more relevant to users. Maybe a reaction to the Windows app store’s lack of success? Thoughts?

Using their products, you can so easily taste how Microsoft is trying to become an "ecosystem", a "lifestyle brand", a "platform", and so on, and to use their OS as the relentless foot in the door for getting there.

To me it's another nail in the coffin of general purpose computing. We've accepted that mobile devices/OSs are not for general purpose computing and expect that they come with a "lifestyle" to hawk, now one of the major general-computing OSs is heading in the same direction.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by mmagin »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #12
falcolas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never that simple, especially for professional users and gamers. Those whose applications are only available for Windows. Sure, there are some open source alternatives, but they are only rarely as good, and even more seldom better, than their Windows counterparts.

Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or something and you'll never be bored. Most professionals would have no problem using Linux for their needs. What applications are you suggesting aren't up to snuff?

Please recommend a Linux CAD program that's as easy to use and featureful as Fusion 360.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #2

When you choose Windows, the computer uses you. When you choose Linux, you use the computer. Stop complaining and start switching. It should be apparent by now that Microsoft isn't going to stop their bad behavior.

I'd switch to Linux in the blink of an eye if I didn't have to worry about my games working. WINE is great and all, but it's still not 100% compatible.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Bl4ckb0ne »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #23
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #2

When you choose Windows, the computer uses you. When you choose Linux, you use the computer. Stop complaining and start switching. It should be apparent by now that Microsoft isn't going to stop their bad behavior.

I'd switch to Linux in the blink of an eye if I didn't have to worry about my games working. WINE is great and all, but it's still not 100% compatible.

How about contributing to make things better

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by pjc50 »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #12
falcolas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never that simple, especially for professional users and gamers. Those whose applications are only available for Windows. Sure, there are some open source alternatives, but they are only rarely as good, and even more seldom better, than their Windows counterparts.

Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or something and you'll never be bored. Most professionals would have no problem using Linux for their needs. What applications are you suggesting aren't up to snuff?

PS4 is also a closed ecosystem, far more so than PC gaming on Windows?

Inevitably people end up with a requirement for some Windows program that trips up users or administrators in the workplace. Some workplaces (e.g. mine) are fully paid-up committed Microsoft shops where everyone has MSDN.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

unethical_ban wrote: post #19
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or something and you'll never be bored. Most professionals would have no problem using Linux for their needs. What applications are you suggesting aren't up to snuff?

Because the XBOX and PS and Switch are totally safe, open source products that respect personal information. Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows.

>Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows.

You can make an argument about the size of the respective platform's game libraries, but not about their performance. Games on Linux often perform as well as or better than Windows. There's no clear trend that suggests the performance of games on Linux are worse than on Windows.

And even if it were, what good is 70 FPS over 60 FPS beyond pissing contests? You're limited by your display's refresh rate anyway.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by TwoNineA »

HenryBemis wrote: post #6
TwoNineA wrote: post #3

I set up my brother in-law's new HP laptop he got from Costco and I had to spend over 2 hours removing crap from it. The amount of crapware installed (and a lot of them are MS apps) is unreal.

(Unfortunately) HP has been loading their machines with crapware for about a decade now. :(

Why is MS cramming down my throat some 3D Pain thing, Augmented Reality crap and other apps I don't care about?

Edit: Oh and Camera app. On a desktop. Without even a webcam. What is the justification for that?

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by jbigelow76 »

m_fayer wrote: post #21
Scramblejams wrote: post #4

It’s hard to believe that the loss of goodwill is worth whatever revenue Microsoft’s gaining from this, so I have to assume this is them dipping their toe into a strategy that attempts to make them more relevant to users. Maybe a reaction to the Windows app store’s lack of success? Thoughts?

Using their products, you can so easily taste how Microsoft is trying to become an "ecosystem", a "lifestyle brand", a "platform", and so on, and to use their OS as the relentless foot in the door for getting there. To me it's another nail in the coffin of general purpose computing. We've accepted that mobile devices/OSs are not for general purpose computing and expect that they come with a "lifestyle" to hawk, now o…

Using their products, you can so easily taste how Microsoft is trying to become an "ecosystem", a "lifestyle brand", a "platform", and so on, and to use their OS as the relentless foot in the door for getting there.

I think the irony of that statement is from Windows 3.1 and on Windows (25-ish years) was already THE defacto PC platform. I was a pretty big MS fanboy for a long time (and make my living with .NET and their developer tools). But MS's quixotic fetishization of their app store to me looks like dousing the legacy (no pun intended) of their platform with gasoline and lighting it on fire.

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Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by pjc50 »

Scramblejams wrote: post #4

It’s hard to believe that the loss of goodwill is worth whatever revenue Microsoft’s gaining from this, so I have to assume this is them dipping their toe into a strategy that attempts to make them more relevant to users. Maybe a reaction to the Windows app store’s lack of success? Thoughts?

Well, they see Apple and Google and Valve getting a 30% cut of everything sold through their platforms, so that's clearly where they want to go. Their first attempt - GFWL - was sufficiently horrible that everyone is wary of them doing it for games.
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