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FBI Says Chinese Operatives Active at Scores of U.S. Universities

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Re: FBI Says Chinese Operatives Active at Scores of U.S. Universities

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Post by xyzzyz »

THE_PUN_STOPS wrote: post #71
zengid wrote: post #50

That would explain why my school's international students have such nice, James Bond-esk, cars.

Those cars are more expensive to purchase in China/Saudi Arabia/Qatar/etc then they are to purchase in the USA/Canada/etc and import later. Additionally, exotic cars tend to hold value well and are easy to sell for liquid assets. Thus, for wealthy international families sending a student to North America, this is a two-birds-one-stone situation. The child gets a nice way to get around and the parents get a discount o…

A "stable asset" is a last thing I'd call a new exotic car. They lose value super fast, as they are quintessential Veblen goods.

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Post by [deleted] »

noetic_techy wrote: post #88

And we continue to tolerate those who wouldn't tolerate us... Even the Chinese have a word for these people who naively defend and turn a blind eye to this sort of thing: "Baizou". From Wikipedia: "The word baizuo is, according to political scientist Zhang Chenchen, a Chinese word that ridicules Western "liberal elites". He further defined the word "baizuo" with the definition "People who only care about topics such…

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Post by stcredzero »

labster wrote: post #123
jdavis703 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voice of America, and other media provided by the U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau provide a balanced perspective on the U.S. If there are anti-government situations going on, they cover it. Just take a look at the headlines about Trump on voanews.com vs. the headlines about Xi on xinhuanet.com.

> GOP Women Frustrated by Trump's Approach to Abuse Charges > 2018 Congressional Elections Loom as Referendum on Trump > House Panel Launches Probe into Trump Aide's Employment Amid Domestic Abuse Allegations Oh, wow, point taken. I always forget about VOA because the government doesn't promote it inside the United States. BBC and even NHK have a much higher profile than Voice of America does in America.

I always forget about VOA because the government doesn't promote it inside the United States.

Openness and fairness are also political weapons. You know your side has lost, if it reaches a state of "evaporative cooling" such that it's incapable of using such weapons.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/lr/evaporative_cooling_of_group_beli...

Re: FBI Says Chinese Operatives Active at Scores of U.S. Universities

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Post by jdtang13 »

Clubber wrote: post #94
noetic_techy wrote: post #88

And we continue to tolerate those who wouldn't tolerate us... Even the Chinese have a word for these people who naively defend and turn a blind eye to this sort of thing: "Baizou". From Wikipedia: "The word baizuo is, according to political scientist Zhang Chenchen, a Chinese word that ridicules Western "liberal elites". He further defined the word "baizuo" with the definition "People who only care about topics such…

That sounds a lot like it would come straight from right wing propaganda from the wording.

It does sound right-wing, but I think it's definitely possible to be left-wing and to want to avoid being a "baizuo". The biggest thing that caught my eye was about "pitying the rest of the world" and thinking that you are a "savior" -- definitely a valid criticism, I think.

Re: FBI Says Chinese Operatives Active at Scores of U.S. Universities

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Post by mc32 »

thephyber wrote: post #99
noetic_techy wrote: post #88

And we continue to tolerate those who wouldn't tolerate us... Even the Chinese have a word for these people who naively defend and turn a blind eye to this sort of thing: "Baizou". From Wikipedia: "The word baizuo is, according to political scientist Zhang Chenchen, a Chinese word that ridicules Western "liberal elites". He further defined the word "baizuo" with the definition "People who only care about topics such…

> And we continue to tolerate those who wouldn't tolerate us... It's interesting that as an American, I can't tell if you are talking about the Chinese or the "liberal elite Americans" when you state this. That's a common talking point of the American right wing and could equally describe the position of any person who uses that Chinese term in seriousness. Also, the hypocrisy of a Chinese word criticizing westerners…

The Chinese left does not align with the American left. For one, unlike the American left who tone down patriotism, the Chinese left celebrates patriotism (as do the defacto right "Chinese" who are represented at least in spirit by Taiwan.). I mean, can you imagine the Chinese left celebrating with the Tibetan flag in the streets along with slogans implying China is racist and genocidal?

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Post by saagarjha »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #93
mywittyname wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the ones driving 15 year old Chryslers likely have wealthy parents. University is absurdly expensive for international students of no particular note. On the order of $100k/yr in tuition for a no-name state school. What's another $50k when you're spending half a million dollars to educate your kid?

Universities can be expensive, but community colleges typically aren’t. Most of the fuerdai in community colleges are probably studying English to get into a university. Even though they are rich, they won’t turn down a good deal when they can get one (and since luxury cars are so much cheaper in the USA than China, they are considered good deals as well).

Community colleges are significantly more expensive for international students; at the local ones nearby you're looking at paying 4-5x more.

Re: FBI Says Chinese Operatives Active at Scores of U.S. Universities

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Post by logfromblammo »

Cyberdog wrote: post #25

Australia has of late had its own issues involving accusations of Chinese espionage as well as good old-fashioned palm-greasing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari#Chinese_influence... If the US starts clamping down on this sort of thing, expect China to accuse the US government of xenophobia, since of course "we'd like to stop so many Chinese agents and toadies from infiltrating our governmental and educatio…

I find the thought of Chinese people complaining that Americans are racist to be very amusing. Doubly so if I imagine the American so accused to be black with epicanthic folds.

Did you know that a commercial once aired in China for Qiaobi detergent, where a black man is shoved into a washing machine, and when the cycle finishes, he comes out Chinese? It aired for months, and didn't get pulled until an English-language website made it go viral internationally. The US will always have its 1970s Calgon "ancient Chinese secret" advertisement, of course.

Re: FBI Says Chinese Operatives Active at Scores of U.S. Universities

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

saagarjha wrote: post #137
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Universities can be expensive, but community colleges typically aren’t. Most of the fuerdai in community colleges are probably studying English to get into a university. Even though they are rich, they won’t turn down a good deal when they can get one (and since luxury cars are so much cheaper in the USA than China, they are considered good deals as well).

Community colleges are significantly more expensive for international students; at the local ones nearby you're looking at paying 4-5x more.

Sure, but the base is low.

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Post by foo2312 »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #84
toephu2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What no-name state school cost $100k/yr for international students? It is absurdly more expensive for int'l students but not $100k/yr. For example UC Berkeley costs $45k/year for international students [1]. [1] https://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/students/current/ex...

In your same link the undergrad living expenses is $64k/yr.

I don't think that's an accurate representation of what the estimates are at the link. In particular, the linked page lists undergraduate tuition and fees at $45014/academic year, living expenses at $2100/month (x9 months, leading to $18900/academic year) totaling to $63914 combined tuition+fees+estimated living expenses.
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