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Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by vanadium »

y03a wrote: post #101
jjeaff wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I like to map one of my own subdomains to the cdn service. So everything is at cdn.example.com and if I change providers, it's just a dns record change and everything is ready, even if I want to just host my own content.

Doesn't that kill the possibility that a visitor will already have common content cached when visiting your site for the first time? I know that's not the only reason to use a CDN, but it's a pretty big one.

In my experience, the variety of specific versions of libraries sites are locked to dilutes that performance benefit. Just look at a cross-sampling of sites calling jQuery or .

In theory, the maximum benefit of a CDN only comes if everyone is on 1) the same version or, similar but different, 2) an evergreen version. And the latter is a big red neon sign screaming "DANGER".

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by Qwertious »

jacquesm wrote: post #105

Poor frogs. The water temp just got upped a couple of degrees. Too late to jump out or not just yet? Some relief for frogs that make it out of the pot: https://mailinabox.email/ https://redmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/ https://www.fastmail.com/

Frogs will jump out of slowly-heating pots. Unless they're lobotomized in a certain specific way, which was the experiment that created the popular myth.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by Spooky23 »

pasbesoin wrote: post #83
falcolas wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can run it on any platform, so long as it's Google's. The best user choice since the color of your Model T.

And it will supplant Duo and Allo, that were/are supposed to supplant (or augment, or co-exist -- can't we all just get along?) Hangouts, that was supposed to integrate SMS and MMS, but bollocks. Anyway, I prefer my email to remain immutable after initial transmission. I don't need another Snapbookthingie... Which reminds me, Google: You already hosed search results with your first... or second, or third, buzzzzzz...…

One of my coworkers to this day was so upset by the Google Reader fiasco that he has not used any google service in any form since then.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by jacquesm »

Qwertious wrote: post #112
jacquesm wrote: post #105

Poor frogs. The water temp just got upped a couple of degrees. Too late to jump out or not just yet? Some relief for frogs that make it out of the pot: https://mailinabox.email/ https://redmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/ https://www.fastmail.com/

Frogs will jump out of slowly-heating pots. Unless they're lobotomized in a certain specific way, which was the experiment that created the popular myth.

Only on HN...

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by Qwertious »

cwyers wrote: post #90

> See, email belongs to a special class. Nobody really likes it, but it’s the way nobody really likes sidewalks, or electrical outlets, or forks. It not that there’s something wrong with them. It’s that they’re mature, useful items that do exactly what they need to do. They’ve transcended the world of likes and dislikes. Except forks are fine and e-mails are a dumpster fire.

> e-mails are a dumpster fire.

That's not surprising, but what exactly is broken about emails? And of those problems, which can't be fixed without breaking backwards-compatibility?

I've heard there are problems with verifiability, for example. Permitting backward-compatibility in security seems like you'd end up with the old-SSL problem.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by quickthrower2 »

celim307 wrote: post #19

As heresey as it might be to HN I can't wait until everyone in the world onboards onto one unified communication platform. Once (and if) lte and unlimited data becomes ubiquitous I look forward to be able to make phone calls, email, messages, video messaging, blogging etc all from one username and account. I want to hand someone my username and be done with it. Facebook is trying, but it's execution leaves much to be…

Email has this feature. Hand me your email address. I send you an email.

For phone calls you have telephones, again hand me your phone number and I will call you.

Video is annoying, it would be nice to bypass Skype/Google Hangouts etc.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by kyrra »

bdhess wrote: post #48
tejasmanohar wrote: post #27

AMP is, to begin with, Google exerting its market power to extend its control over others’ content. Facebook is doing it, so Google has to. As a consumer, I actually love AMP. Everytime I click a news link on mobile and am taken to AMP, I'm relieved to be free from the extremely distracting original websites. Google has done a lot of exciting work on open standards like JSON-LD [0] and Microdata [1] to bring a better…

We have the exact opposite opinion then. I moved to DuckDuckGo on iOS because I thought the AMP formatted Google search results were so user-hostile. Maybe they’ve fixed the bizarre scrolling and overly sensitive links by now, but I see no reason to find out, because I don’t feel like I’m missing anything.

I know the scrolling issues we're bugs in webkit. Google (I believe) started to employ a webkit dev to fix the problems.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by david-cako »

gerdesj wrote: post #29

Thank goodness that a bunch of clever kids are going to replace boring old SMTP n MTAs n MUAs and stuff with this bollocks: https://www.ampproject.org/ 8) email works and doesn't need fixing. It (nearly) transports more messages every day than is countable and just works. SNR - now that needs fixing and a good start would be enforcing plain text.

Email “works” but it’s ass for consistently displaying anything more than text.

Marketers want to make money, and right now stuffing emails with images in favor of proper layout is the only easy way to do it.

Of course google also wants all of your email googling its way through their servers.

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