> AMP for Email will also make it possible for information to easily kept up-to-date, so emails never get stale and the content is accurate when a user looks at it.
So it seems like a regular webpage but within Gmail.
Bringing AMP to Gmail
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It has no security Little communication software out there can be made as secure and resilient as email. Two people out there can run their mail servers on a laptop or a raspberry pi. Email is easily encrypted with TLS and GPG on top. The initial setup for this could take less than 2 hours. Bonus points: everything could be run from a *sh shell, 1 CPU core and 128 RAM is quite enough. > bad tooling and software Pos…
Resilient and secure compared to regular snail mail, you must mean. You're dangerously wrong about the security of email...
If email is so insecure, how come almost every service uses email as a recovery tool?
There must be hundreds of thousands of very valuable accounts that could be accessed if you had access to someone's emails, so why doesn't that seem to happen?
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#103Ok I fold. I’m switching back to regular old postal mail.
You can also fax memos. For intra office, pneumatic tubes.
If you need QoS, there's an IP over Avian Carrier spec that'll work: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
No AMP support too, which is a huge plus.
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#104So this is just blantantly breaking email for non Gmail clients is sounds like. I was actually already thinking or trying anther email provider out of curiosity anyways. The problem is gmail is already so locked into my phone and everything. I can't even completely remove gmail from there either. Meta: My top two stories on HN right now are Google press releases. Just rename HN to Google News are be done with it.
FWIW, Google stories are almost always newsworthy, and hence, belong highly positioned on HN. Though from the comments, at least on this one: Most of the comments are negative/critical.
Bad news is also news.
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#105I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
You are literally a decade late. Email has been dead for a long time. You're right that Google EEEed it.
As long as the majority of people are relying on emails (regardless of the use case), it ain't dead.
Even if you don't use it to communicate to other people, you're still relying on it (for example, you forgot some random password), making it impossible to get rid of.
Nothing replaced it, and nothing will replace it for the next decade. Not all people on the Internet have a Facebook account where they let anyone in their friends list, and not all people on the Internet have a phone number that they are willing to give publically (for WhatsApp/Signal/any-mobile-first-IM-solution).
If you try reaching me online, you won't find my Facebook account on a search engine (nor on Facebook, unless we have some friends in common), and you won't find my phone number easily (unless you already have me on Facebook as a friend). You'll find my email address easily though, and that's why it'll remain relevant.
Same could be said for pretty much every GitHub user (that's why email addresses are right on your profile by default), every academic that has his own website, most of HN users (just take a peak at random profiles) etc.
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#106For those who are frustrated by this, if you can, please show others that there are other options (just like you have done with DuckDuckGo) and switch to any of these (listing only those that are cheap enough to have multiple mailboxes without spending several hundred dollars a year): 1. Posteo.de 2. Mailbox.org 3. Tutanota.com 4. Protonmail.ch I know some people can run their own setup. The above are for people who…
Fastmail is a great alternative as well.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Resilient and secure compared to regular snail mail, you must mean. You're dangerously wrong about the security of email...
If email is so insecure, how come almost every service uses email as a recovery tool? There must be hundreds of thousands of very valuable accounts that could be accessed if you had access to someone's emails, so why doesn't that seem to happen?
You two are totally missing to use the threat model approach to security.
Email is "secure enough" for common people, whose threat model isn't high. We have Google and Microsoft to thank for that primarily, since they're the ones that pushed 2-factor auth, encryption in transit (HTTPS) and other features (that later on got implemented by all the email providers). Those features themselves would mean nothing if they weren't incorporated in the biggest free email hosting solutions.
Email is "completely insecure" to those who can't trust a third party (like Gmail). It has GPG on top of it, which is nasty to use from a user's perspective. Meanwhile, even if you do all the things perfectly and never screw up, you're still not getting the same level of protection you would get from using Signal (as a solution that doesn't retain any metadata), whose user experience is out of this world compared to GPG.
Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#108I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
I run my own mail server and Google - for once - seems to play reasonably nice, it is Microsoft and Apple that are the harder cases, in part because they outsourced some of their vetting to third parties.
I've been mulling switching to Google or some other email provider for a long time and I still feel that this is the last bit of corporate independence that I'm willing to give up. Our mail is ours. I don't care of the counterparty is using gmail or whatever other flavor of cloud services they care for but running your own mail server should be a first test of whether or not you are an IT business or not.
It borders on the ridiculous to have to outsource something as essential and confidential to a commercial provider in another country who only entered the scene about a decade after us, especially because I see those commercial providers as the biggest part of the problem to begin with and this feels like rewarding them for their abusive behavior.
A snail mail analogy escapes me but it would involve sending your post all the way around the planet first before dropping it in the mailbox in the next town over, with some random elements for delivery or non-delivery thrown in for added amusement.
All this gives rise to some frustration on occasion, it is no fun to have your legitimate email classed as spam for reasons not under your control but so be it, I'll take that over giving up autonomy.
Google 'AMP' for email is yet another step in the wrong direction and I'm sure that it will get a lot worse before it will get better but at some point I'd hope that people will wake up to the fact that all this consolidation of power is a negative thing.
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#109For those who are frustrated by this, if you can, please show others that there are other options (just like you have done with DuckDuckGo) and switch to any of these (listing only those that are cheap enough to have multiple mailboxes without spending several hundred dollars a year): 1. Posteo.de 2. Mailbox.org 3. Tutanota.com 4. Protonmail.ch I know some people can run their own setup. The above are for people who…
Yep, I think this is the final straw for me too. Will spend the weekend looking into alternatives and close down my G Suite account.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google/Microsoft didn't kill email, spam did. Google/Microsoft then salvaged from the abyss something largely similar to email, but with some limbs all but severed.
Spam put centralised commercial e-mail ( ISPs and web-mail ) into critical condition until the web-mail hosts reacted to save themselves. But as for the little folk who are less of a target: I have run my own mail server for 18 years and can't imagine I've received more than 100 spams in total. And that is without any defences other than SPF. ISP e-mail, well that is certainly spammed to death but probably for the be…
I have a personal domain on Gmail, and my spam folder currently has 105 messages in it from the past month. Two are mis-filed mass mailings and one is from a mailing list that I think I was once legitimately on, but which has refused to unsubscribe me. The rest are from russian women who thinks I'm sexy and a few from the Nigerian central bank (that's apparently still a thing, who'd have thought).
These are the emails that are not related to me being on a centralised commercial host, and they all made it past Googles ample defences.