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97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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California doesn’t have a housing problem. It has “companies insist on paying higher taxes and refusing to deploy in the wide open spaces between the coasts” problem. Deploying between the coasts helped Amazon greatly leverage its early entry position.

Those same companies are responsive to where their workforce wants to live.

And they know that exactly how? I see no evidence of A/B or multivariate testing vs employment for corporate locations.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Those same companies are responsive to where their workforce wants to live.

And they know that exactly how? I see no evidence of A/B or multivariate testing vs employment for corporate locations.

I mean, Uber bought a giant office in Oakland and decided about a year later not to move there...

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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The two best suggestions are Bakersfield and Fresno (edit: or the middle of unincorporated desert LOL) You're telling OP to live in hell and it still costs more than they can afford.

Per Wikipedia [0]: > Between 1970 and 2010, Bakersfield grew 400% (from 70,000 to 347,483),[33] making it one of the fastest growing cities in California.[17] It can't be too much hell if so many people want to live there that the population quadrupled in 40 years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakersfield,_California

Does that follow?

Here, I found another example: > Between 1968 and 1975 the Dubai's population grew by over 300%

Maybe OP could find a sweet oil job there!

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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This little bit of political sparring was my favorite part of the article: >SB 827, Wiener’s bill to mandate increased density near public transit, was recently the subject of a spat on Twitter between the Senator and former Beverly Hills mayor John Mirisch. Mirisch began his tirade by calling the bill “a bizarre combination of Soviet-style master planning with raging crony capitalism…the urban planning lovechild of…

The bill says nothing of the sort. I've noticed a common talking point among anti-development types is to assert that changing zoning to allow denser housing translates to mandating denser housing, which is obviously ridiculous.

Unfortunately at first glance the law is easy to misread. If you’re not careful it reads like it’s mandating a minimum height for new construction. Instead what it’s doing is mandating a floor on the maximum allowable height a city can set. So in other words a city can’t force a developer to shorten their building beyond the minimum heights in SB-827. Conversely a developer or home owner can construct a short building if they really want to.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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> And being 42nd out of 50 on K-12 education and highest poverty rate, aren't good things to lead with. Lots of opportunities to improve. How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. California is home to 2.3 mil illegal immigrants, and 12.3% of all k-12 students in California are illegal immigrants. Other states with that high of an illegal immigrant student demographic…

Please don't start ideological or political flamewars on HN. They're not what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I was expressing a political view, which is no different than the link submitted.

I think its unfair to censor one political view and not the other political views.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Test scores show otherwise: http://laschoolreport.com/latinos-and-english-learners-are-b... The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests. 66% failed english language arts 76% failed math And Latino's also had ~5% more kids failing than the average of LA's Scores. Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase the % of kids who pass these tes…

> The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests. You seem to be conflating two groups: "illegal" immigrants, and Latinos. They are separate groups. > Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase... While this is true, this is also the type of ethnic engineering that isn't acceptable in modern society in the United States. We don't remove et…

THe illegal immigrant population in k-12 in California schools are majority latino/hispanic. Therefore removing the illegal immigrant population from said schooling would reduce the latino population in the school.

If latino's are scoring poorly, then removing some % of them (due to their illegal immigrant status) would raise test scores overall.

> While this is true, this is also the type of ethnic engineering that isn't acceptable in modern society in the United States. We don't remove ethnic populations in order to increase a test score number.

Hu? I never was talking about ethnic engineering. I was talking about enforcing our immigration laws.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Test scores show otherwise: http://laschoolreport.com/latinos-and-english-learners-are-b... The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests. 66% failed english language arts 76% failed math And Latino's also had ~5% more kids failing than the average of LA's Scores. Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase the % of kids who pass these tes…

Immigrants assimilate in a couple generations. Parents instilling ambition and hard work in their children is what makes America strong.

You can't compare H1b/legal immigrants to illegal immigrants, they have vastly different educational backgrounds.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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I doubt the language is a problem, young kids pick it up extremely fast. I, myself, moved to the US in my 20's, and had no major problem assimilating. For the first few months I didn't speak English, my father would help me everywhere. But then I had to go to college, took ESL classes for a semester, and then started taking normal college classes. I doubt it's poverty, I grew up very very poor (as many of my classmat…

Test scores show otherwise: http://laschoolreport.com/latinos-and-english-learners-are-b... The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests. 66% failed english language arts 76% failed math And Latino's also had ~5% more kids failing than the average of LA's Scores. Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase the % of kids who pass these tes…

> The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests.

The source you cite gives numbers for Latinos and English Learners, neither of which are equivalent to “illegal immigrants”.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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> The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests. You seem to be conflating two groups: "illegal" immigrants, and Latinos. They are separate groups. > Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase... While this is true, this is also the type of ethnic engineering that isn't acceptable in modern society in the United States. We don't remove et…

THe illegal immigrant population in k-12 in California schools are majority latino/hispanic. Therefore removing the illegal immigrant population from said schooling would reduce the latino population in the school. If latino's are scoring poorly, then removing some % of them (due to their illegal immigrant status) would raise test scores overall. > While this is true, this is also the type of ethnic engineering that…

> THe illegal immigrant population in k-12 in California schools are majority latino/hispanic.

Sure, but you can't use generic statistics about Latinos—who in California are mostly not immigrants, much less illegal, and pretend they are specifically about illegal immigrants, or even accurate for illegal immigrants (fallacy of division.)

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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In this sense, GP's references to "sanctuary cities" and "illegal immigrants" are also strategic: they betray an obvious bias towards one side of this debate. (This is leaving aside the barely coded racism - and, ironically, questionable grammar - of their other statements, such as "You're only as good as who you surround yourself".) I see no problem in providing a counterbalancing perspective. After all, it can be s…

I agree with you on the term sanctuary city being strategic. I think these phrases get under my skin because we just parrot back what we hear on CNN/NPR/Daily Wire, without adding anything new to the conversation. I'm not sure I could disagree with you more on a lot of what you said, but it doesn't grind any gears to read your opinion because I doubt you copy/pasted that from a VICE article. I really think you've tho…

Hey, I'm with you on the "regurgitated thoughts are bad" front :)

On the rest, we likely have common ground somewhere; so far, I've stated my position without any nuance, to make its broad outlines relatively clear. Let's start with some extreme examples: we probably agree that no single country can support the entire world's population alone. We probably also agree that nationalism run amok can have terrible consequences, regardless of its potentially beneficial aspects. Most people would generally help out friends / relatives in need, provided they had the means (financial, emotional, logistical, or whatever else it takes) to do so - so we likely have some common ground there.

Other common points that come up in discussions like these...I would agree that some people contribute more than others to society. OTOH, I think we can't necessarily know ahead of time who will contribute more or less - in an immigration context, attempts to do so have a long history fraught with racism and xenophobia. (See: Angel Island near SF, Chinese Exclusion Act, refusing Jewish refugees during WW2, etc.)

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