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97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by blasteye »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #9
blasteye wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And being 42nd out of 50 on K-12 education and highest poverty rate, aren't good things to lead with. Lots of opportunities to improve. How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. California is home to 2.3 mil illegal immigrants, and 12.3% of all k-12 students in California are illegal immigrants. Other states with that high of an illegal immigrant student demographic…

I doubt the language is a problem, young kids pick it up extremely fast. I, myself, moved to the US in my 20's, and had no major problem assimilating. For the first few months I didn't speak English, my father would help me everywhere. But then I had to go to college, took ESL classes for a semester, and then started taking normal college classes. I doubt it's poverty, I grew up very very poor (as many of my classmat…

Test scores show otherwise: http://laschoolreport.com/latinos-and-english-learners-are-b...

The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests.

66% failed english language arts

76% failed math

And Latino's also had ~5% more kids failing than the average of LA's Scores. Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase the % of kids who pass these tests by more than 5%.

" The percentage of LA’s Latino students who met or exceeded state academic expectations this year:

34 percent in English language arts, less than 1 percentage point higher than in 2016 24 percent in math, less than 1 percentage point higher than in 2016 The district’s overall average this year was 39.55 percent in English language arts and 29.86 in math. The percentage of Latino students in California who met or exceeded standards this year:

26.05 percent in English language arts, the same as in 2016 16.89 percent in math, slightly lower than in 2016 The state’s overall average this year was 48.56 percent in English language arts and 37.53 percent in math. "

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

omegaworks wrote: post #8
blasteye wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And being 42nd out of 50 on K-12 education and highest poverty rate, aren't good things to lead with. Lots of opportunities to improve. How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. California is home to 2.3 mil illegal immigrants, and 12.3% of all k-12 students in California are illegal immigrants. Other states with that high of an illegal immigrant student demographic…

>How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. Zero. It has zero to do with how California treats its most vulnerable immigrant population, and everything to do with how California funds its schools. The Berkeley CA School board recently had to make hard choices in its yearly budget. Berkeley is one of the wealthiest cities in the state. It was forced to slash safety offi…

Gentrification also impacts the public school system. The highly-acclaimed elementary school down the block from me is going to lose a ton of money as their Title I enrollment is going to drop below 55%. That’s code for the poor folk being pushed out by gentrification.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by blasteye »

omegaworks wrote: post #8
blasteye wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And being 42nd out of 50 on K-12 education and highest poverty rate, aren't good things to lead with. Lots of opportunities to improve. How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. California is home to 2.3 mil illegal immigrants, and 12.3% of all k-12 students in California are illegal immigrants. Other states with that high of an illegal immigrant student demographic…

>How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. Zero. It has zero to do with how California treats its most vulnerable immigrant population, and everything to do with how California funds its schools. The Berkeley CA School board recently had to make hard choices in its yearly budget. Berkeley is one of the wealthiest cities in the state. It was forced to slash safety offi…

Property taxes only make up 1/4th the school budget in CA.

Also let's do some math shall we. California has 12.3% illegal immigrant student population. Remove them and the same funds that currently exist would be funding 87.7% the current student population.

California currently spends $8,694/student. If you remove the illegal immigrants that becomes 8,694/0.877 = ~9913/student. Not great but a $1219/student gain in funds isn't shabby either. FYI california has ~6 Million k-12 students, or in other words the illegals are costing tax payers 6.66 Billion/year in k-12 education.

Now reducing our student population by 12.3% would also mean reducing the number of schools. There's likely even greater savings as not everything scales horizontally / sub-horizontally.

https://ed100.org/lessons/whopays https://edsource.org/2017/how-does-california-rank-in-per-pu...

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by jnordwick »

dang wrote: post #3
joeblow9999 wrote: post #2

Spoiler alert: Central planners' plans fail to materialize.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Stop picking on opinions you dont like.

I noticed similar comments ("of course there is insider trading, duh") in the insider trading article with accounts of similar karma don't get flagged and reprimanded by mods.

But we all know why that occurs. Maybe you shouldnt go after comments if you find yourself disagreeing with their content.

The groupthink on HN had been accelerating lately.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by foota »

blasteye wrote: post #7
ChuckMcM wrote: post #5

My experience in driving through California's interior doesn't jibe with that headline. When I stop for lunch or a break I like to check out the local real estate scene and its often the case in these cities that there are many houses and other living accommodations available at modest prices. Hard to imagine a city like Mojave not meeting it "goal". Of course if you limit yourself to cities of 1 millions residents o…

> And being 42nd out of 50 on K-12 education and highest poverty rate, aren't good things to lead with. Lots of opportunities to improve. How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. California is home to 2.3 mil illegal immigrants, and 12.3% of all k-12 students in California are illegal immigrants. Other states with that high of an illegal immigrant student demographic…

That's not what 1 is saying, for the record. 1 is share of children with parents that are undocumented.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by marcell »

blasteye wrote: post #14
omegaworks wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How much does that have to do with its sanctuary status & high illegal immigration numbers. Zero. It has zero to do with how California treats its most vulnerable immigrant population, and everything to do with how California funds its schools. The Berkeley CA School board recently had to make hard choices in its yearly budget. Berkeley is one of the wealthiest cities in the state. It was forced to slash safety offi…

Property taxes only make up 1/4th the school budget in CA. Also let's do some math shall we. California has 12.3% illegal immigrant student population. Remove them and the same funds that currently exist would be funding 87.7% the current student population. California currently spends $8,694/student. If you remove the illegal immigrants that becomes 8,694/0.877 = ~9913/student. Not great but a $1219/student gain in…

1. The parents of those children contribute to the economy and pay taxes, and by deporting them you are harming the local economy, and also reducing your tax base. Thus the gain will be less than $1200/yr.

2. Some of the kids of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens, if they were born in the US, so your number 12.3% is not accurate. That is the number who's parents are unauthorized.

Edit: According to the source you cite, 80% of the children of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens, much higher than I expected. [1]

3. With proper education, these children will grow up to be productive, contributing members of society as doctors, engineers, etc. They will grow the US economy and pay taxes.

[1] http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigra...: "Children of unauthorized immigrants made up 7.3% of U.S. students enrolled in kindergarten through 12th grade in 2014, though the share varies by state. Most (5.9%) are U.S.-born children who are U.S. citizens at birth. The rest (1.3%) are unauthorized immigrants themselves."

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by marcell »

blasteye wrote: post #11
bufferoverflow wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt the language is a problem, young kids pick it up extremely fast. I, myself, moved to the US in my 20's, and had no major problem assimilating. For the first few months I didn't speak English, my father would help me everywhere. But then I had to go to college, took ESL classes for a semester, and then started taking normal college classes. I doubt it's poverty, I grew up very very poor (as many of my classmat…

Test scores show otherwise: http://laschoolreport.com/latinos-and-english-learners-are-b... The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests. 66% failed english language arts 76% failed math And Latino's also had ~5% more kids failing than the average of LA's Scores. Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase the % of kids who pass these tes…

> The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests.

You seem to be conflating two groups: "illegal" immigrants, and Latinos. They are separate groups.

> Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase...

While this is true, this is also the type of ethnic engineering that isn't acceptable in modern society in the United States. We don't remove ethnic populations in order to increase a test score number.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by guelo »

blasteye wrote: post #11
bufferoverflow wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt the language is a problem, young kids pick it up extremely fast. I, myself, moved to the US in my 20's, and had no major problem assimilating. For the first few months I didn't speak English, my father would help me everywhere. But then I had to go to college, took ESL classes for a semester, and then started taking normal college classes. I doubt it's poverty, I grew up very very poor (as many of my classmat…

Test scores show otherwise: http://laschoolreport.com/latinos-and-english-learners-are-b... The majority of LA's Latino / Illegal Immigrant student body failed their standardized tests. 66% failed english language arts 76% failed math And Latino's also had ~5% more kids failing than the average of LA's Scores. Its a fair argument that removing this population from the schools increase the % of kids who pass these tes…

Immigrants assimilate in a couple generations. Parents instilling ambition and hard work in their children is what makes America strong.

Re: 97% of California Cities Failed to Meet State Housing Goals

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Post by masonic »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #6
ChuckMcM wrote: post #5

My experience in driving through California's interior doesn't jibe with that headline. When I stop for lunch or a break I like to check out the local real estate scene and its often the case in these cities that there are many houses and other living accommodations available at modest prices. Hard to imagine a city like Mojave not meeting it "goal". Of course if you limit yourself to cities of 1 millions residents o…

So, a couple of questions: 1. What do you consider modest prices ? 2. What exactly do you do to check out the local real estate scene ? Because I recently left California to get off the street after moving around California a bit in search of affordable living and doing like 3 years of research, and my point of view and yours are so not on the same page, they aren't even in the same book.

He referred specifically to the California interior. Most counties not on the coast or bay have very affordable areas; I've driven the northern 2/3rds of I-5, most of US50, and all of I-80 in CA and seen hundreds of properties for a fraction of Bay Area prices. Things look different once outside of a Bay Area (or San Diego) bubble.
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