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26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Post by mijowi »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #133
acdha wrote: post #85

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> Studies like this are hard, because they're usually labeled 'racist', or it turns into an ad hominem attack on the authors, or struck down in the media for singling out some minority group. I think you’re confusing studies with conclusions. What you’re describing doesn’t happen but what is common are studies finding a correlation which leads to someone claiming causation and then complaining when they’re criticized…

Also people often make an unfounded extrapolation from arrest or conviction stats to crimes committed. We can accurately measure arrests or convictions fairly easily so we frequently have statistics for those, but it is very hard to accurately measure who is committing crimes. People often like to assume that there is a direct correspondence between arrests/convictions and crimes committed, but that is an unjustified…

A logical and reasonable assumption, and I think probably mostly true, but still unproven.

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Post by michaelmrose »

scarmig wrote: post #130
coldtea wrote: post #76

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Lots of people (in the US at least, not, say, Sweden) care more about revenge and suffering inflicted on the criminals than rehabilitating them (or even preventing them from doing more harm -- they are e.g. totally ok if they do more harm, but inside, to other inmates). What I hope is that those people get to experience prison for inside, and even better, for some BS reason, like the reasons tons of people are in jai…

Isn't there a bit of irony there? In that you want to send the send-people-to-prison-to-suffer people to prison to suffer?

Its totally in keeping with the revenge is more important than results mindset.

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Post by stordoff »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #135
lostlogin wrote: post #109

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You’re clearly not suggesting that the US is 80% male. Once you create a subset that fits your criteria it gets a little silly doesn’t it?

OP said "Google", not the "US". What's "silly" about thinking males are the majority at Google?

OP said "population level gender differences might better explain Google's hiring pipeline". Men may be the majority of Google employees, but they clearly aren't the majority of the population. That suggests there is discrimination somewhere, either in Google's hiring approach or in wider society (it's unlikely that there is some innate difference between men and woman that would account for such a disparity).

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Post by rayiner »

flexie wrote: post #138
rayiner wrote: post #126

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That index lists Canada as more diverse than the US, which is definitely false having been to both. Online sources suggest about 30% of Stockholm is non-Swedish, and most of those people are European. New York and Chicago are only about 30-35% European descent, and that’s mixed between Irish, German, Swedish, English, etc.

English, German, Irish, swedish descent = Christian, white population, all speaking English as a first language, all from similar cultures. It’s way more diverse in Sweden. I lived in NYC, and have travelled a lot in Sweden. Nowadays, large Swedish cities are much more diverse.

Even if you lump all the european people together, the fact remains that Stockholm is probably 80% European and New York City is less than 30% European.

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Post by olavk »

weberc2 wrote: post #48
splitrocket wrote: post #28

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Let me put it this way: the current “standard” criminal justice system is exceedingly effective at dissuading the sort of people who designed and operate the system from committing crime, but those folks are not the population that in fact commit crimes.

To play devil's advocate, maybe the system is very, very good as evidenced by all of the people who aren't running around committing crimes. In other words, survivorship bias.

To verify if this is the case, you should compare incarceration rate and crime rate with otherwise similar countries.

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Post by dane-pgp »

DanBC wrote: post #143
bradknowles wrote: post #112

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How do you define a “smack” versus a “hit”?

You don't. All forms of hitting children are abusive.

Shouting at, or ignoring, children is also (emotionally) abusive. Should we lock up parents who ever act in one of those ways towards their children?

Also, what about when children hit their siblings, or their parents, or their class mates? I don't think that locking these children up is conducive to their welfare either.

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Post by ComputerGuru »

splitrocket wrote: post #12

Humans consistently make the same mistake about understand the motivations, the inhibiting and promoting pressures of other people. We assume that everyone else is exactly like us. Therefore, when we build systems and institutions that attempt to alter behavior, we encode our own motivations and desires as the impetus. I.E. why we have UX researchers, do user testing, A/B testing etc when we develop products. Our ins…

From a purely scientific point of view (since that is what you are espousing), you can't make the comment you just did without proving that without the threat of jail time this subset of the population would not be committing even more crimes even more often.

Additionally, speaking as someone that agrees with the scientific premise of your argument, any alternative would be a trade-off, i.e. the percentage of the population that are not committing crimes at all would need to remain sufficiently deterred, which may change when the deterrent does.

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Post by ComputerGuru »

_delirium wrote: post #111
zarkov99 wrote: post #75

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Or, more simply, you could incarcerate repeat offenders for longer periods of time.

I guess you could lock up ~1% of the population indefinitely, but by the time you've gotten to that point something else has clearly gone wrong, since most affluent countries are able to achieve relatively low violent crime rates without such widespread use of incarceration. If we were talking about 0.01% hard-core violent criminals then sure, just incarcerate them, but 3m+ people? As far as I'm able to find, only tw…

I don't think comparisons to "other affluent countries" are apt; the socioeconomic and cultural makeup of the United States is so starkly different from pretty much any other country (even our immediate neighbors to the north and south).

In particular, the institution of slavery and perhaps even more so, the culture of segregation, condescension, and disdain that followed from The Reconstruction onwards resulted in such drastic dehumanization, disenfranchisement, and demoralization of a huge percentage of the population that has not been seen anywhere else in the world.

No solution can be drafted that does not address this ugly stain on our history (continuing to the present) and still ever hope to work, and whitewashing history books and tiptoeing around this elephant in the room in the name of political correctness does us all a disservice.

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Post by saas_co_de »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #141
saas_co_de wrote: post #101

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> what sort of violent crime do you propose to legalize Hundreds of thousands die and are injured every year from prescription drugs, faulty automobiles, guns, and all manner of other defective products. Why not criminalize those violent crimes?

Manslaughter and murder are already criminalized, at least in the United States. Where do you live?

How many executives and board members of companies manufacturing opiate pain killers (to give only one example) have you seen charged with manslaughter recently?
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