26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

Post by saas_co_de » Sat, Feb 10, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

weberc2 wrote: post #53

saas_co_de wrote: post #42

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> exceedingly effective at dissuading the sort of people who designed and operate the system from committing crime More like the people who designed and operate the system consider everything they do legal and only criminalize the activity of people not like them.

> More like the people who designed and operate the system consider everything they do legal This is true by definition. Anyway, what sort of violent crime do you propose to legalize?

Post by lostlogin » Sat, Feb 10, 2018, 5:42 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #22

exabrial wrote: post #5

Studies like this are hard, because they're usually labeled 'racist', or it turns into an ad hominem attack on the authors, or struck down in the media for singling out some minority group. I love the wording as it has a focus on the positive; summed up it basically says: we can't help those who we can't identity.

> Persistence in violence was associated with male sex (OR 2.5), personality disorder (OR 2.3), violent crime conviction before age 19 (OR 2.0), drug-related offenses (OR 1.9), nonviolent criminality (OR 1.9), substance use disorder (OR 1.9), and major mental disorder (OR 1.3). So you are confusing mental/behavior explanations with unscientific correlation-hunting racial explanations that are too popular in discourse…

Post by Redoubts » Sat, Feb 10, 2018, 5:45 PM UTC

zarkov99 wrote: post #75

splitrocket wrote: post #60

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This study indicates that incarceration, at least as it is currently implemented, is emphatically not a deterrent for repeat violent offenders. As for the public safety element, yes, but these people mostly weren’t locked up for life. What this shows, at least, in my opinion, is that much more intensive psychological and therapeutic interventions are needed, because if anything, incarceration as it currently exists w…

Or, more simply, you could incarcerate repeat offenders for longer periods of time.

Post by mempko » Sat, Feb 10, 2018, 5:46 PM UTC

BigBuzzKill wrote: post #74

splitrocket wrote: post #37

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Studies that don’t take into account socio-economics are, in fact, racist. When you control for income and wealth, particularly intergeneraltional, racial differences disappear.

Accept that isn’t true. Racial differences rarely disappear even when you take those factors into account. There is evidence that economic inequality has little to no effect whatsoever (1, 2). There is also evidence that inequality is predictive for blacks but no whites (3). There is also data that does support your latter conclusion, but my point is that this issue isn’t as clear cut as you’re framing it as. (1) htt…

Post by lostlogin » Sat, Feb 10, 2018, 5:47 PM UTC

weberc2 wrote: post #73

gowld wrote: post #22

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> Persistence in violence was associated with male sex (OR 2.5), personality disorder (OR 2.3), violent crime conviction before age 19 (OR 2.0), drug-related offenses (OR 1.9), nonviolent criminality (OR 1.9), substance use disorder (OR 1.9), and major mental disorder (OR 1.3). So you are confusing mental/behavior explanations with unscientific correlation-hunting racial explanations that are too popular in discourse…

Typically it's the accusers of racism who make these conflagrations. These are usually well-intentioned progressives who, in their zeal to protect minorities, pounce on anything that could possibly be warped into an attack on minorities. For example, that time James Damore was crucified for suggesting that population level gender differences might better explain Google's hiring pipeline than discrimination.