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26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Studies like this are hard, because they're usually labeled 'racist', or it turns into an ad hominem attack on the authors, or struck down in the media for singling out some minority group. I love the wording as it has a focus on the positive; summed up it basically says: we can't help those who we can't identity.

"Studies like this are hard, because they're usually labeled 'racist',"

Please provide some factual, quantified basis for this statement.

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Humans consistently make the same mistake about understand the motivations, the inhibiting and promoting pressures of other people. We assume that everyone else is exactly like us. Therefore, when we build systems and institutions that attempt to alter behavior, we encode our own motivations and desires as the impetus. I.E. why we have UX researchers, do user testing, A/B testing etc when we develop products. Our ins…

Let me put it this way: the current “standard” criminal justice system is exceedingly effective at dissuading the sort of people who designed and operate the system from committing crime, but those folks are not the population that in fact commit crimes.

> exceedingly effective at dissuading the sort of people who designed and operate the system from committing crime

More like the people who designed and operate the system consider everything they do legal and only criminalize the activity of people not like them.

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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1.) Violent crime is a rare event (in post-WW2 European societies), so the proportion of offenders is rather small. 2.) One time offenders have a hard time getting their feet on the ground after being released from prison. Without appropriate support & back in their old networks, they often have few alternatives than going down that road again. IMHO that's not exactly news. I personally find it slightly surprising th…

Maybe in Europe? Not in the USA it isn’t. We’ve seen drops in homicides and the like in some cities (NYC), but disturbing trends in homicides places like Baltimore and Chicago.

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Interesting how similar the distribution of criminality is to the distribution of wealth, in which the top 1% own a bit over half. https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/14/worlds-ri...

Pareto principle?

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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If I said I could identify a group of people who are responsible for all the horror in the world, you’d think think I was an idiot. But there is one group who is responsible (although you never hear the group blamed for anything). The group? Men.

By that (shitty) logic, women are equally to blame. It currently takes bits from both to make another human that might commit a "horror."

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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1.) Violent crime is a rare event (in post-WW2 European societies), so the proportion of offenders is rather small. 2.) One time offenders have a hard time getting their feet on the ground after being released from prison. Without appropriate support & back in their old networks, they often have few alternatives than going down that road again. IMHO that's not exactly news. I personally find it slightly surprising th…

One quarter gets caught (again) the other I assume gets away with it. But it's our very unscientific assumptions.

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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1.) Violent crime is a rare event (in post-WW2 European societies), so the proportion of offenders is rather small. 2.) One time offenders have a hard time getting their feet on the ground after being released from prison. Without appropriate support & back in their old networks, they often have few alternatives than going down that road again. IMHO that's not exactly news. I personally find it slightly surprising th…

"One time offenders have a hard time getting their feet on the ground after being released from prison. Without appropriate support, they often have few alternatives than going down that road again." I would suspect that is the case too. Given the high OR for "personality disorder" I would imagine that changing that person to make them capable of sustained, beneficial interaction with society would be difficult. And that is completely ignoring the fact that they have a criminal record, a probable lack of training/skills which could have been acquired when younger etc.

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Humans consistently make the same mistake about understand the motivations, the inhibiting and promoting pressures of other people. We assume that everyone else is exactly like us. Therefore, when we build systems and institutions that attempt to alter behavior, we encode our own motivations and desires as the impetus. I.E. why we have UX researchers, do user testing, A/B testing etc when we develop products. Our ins…

Let me put it this way: the current “standard” criminal justice system is exceedingly effective at dissuading the sort of people who designed and operate the system from committing crime, but those folks are not the population that in fact commit crimes.

To play devil's advocate, maybe the system is very, very good as evidenced by all of the people who aren't running around committing crimes. In other words, survivorship bias.

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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If I said I could identify a group of people who are responsible for all the horror in the world, you’d think think I was an idiot. But there is one group who is responsible (although you never hear the group blamed for anything). The group? Men.

>although you never hear the group blamed for anything

Just curious, where do you get your news from?

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does ethnic homogeneity have to do with this?

Studies like these that take place in the USA are labeled racist because they disproportionately include minorities.

"Studies like these that take place in the USA are labeled racist because they disproportionately include minorities."

Please provide some factual support for this. Specifically studies that are _like_ this in their construction. Is it possible that there are studies which are, in fact, racist?

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