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Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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All these reports have the feelings of small rumblings or rumors of purges and famines that leaked out of the Soviet Union in the 30’s. The dismissal of all of them due to China’s size and growth really strengthens the analogy too. Privacy is important because basically we all are, at least once a day, committing some kind of crime. I mean the definition for loitering is so broad that alone gets most people. The ad-t…

> Privacy is important because basically we all are, at least once a day, committing some kind of crime. I think that is the big issue we will see and have seen recently. Surveillance tools are better than ever in history. Many times, laws were created as deterrents to some behavior, that maybe shouldn't be laws, because it wasn't easy to nab everyone doing it. Back then cops, judges and more weren't as locked into f…

>An example might be the criminalization of drugs or old laws on the books. If we had arrested everyone that used cannabis half the country at least would have a record.

If everyone has a record, no one has a record.

Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article mentions that the glasses are connected to a smartphone like device. That can handle the battery and computing, all you need on the glasses portion is the camera. You don't load all the data onto the device, you just ping back to a central database (that way you also get to track every location that someone shows up at). To keep things up to date you simply pull the latest images of the person from a comm…

Try performing computer vision on your smart phone running non-stop, and tell me how long it lasts :)

When I look on my phone after a day of barely looking at it, I'm wondering what it's doing in its free time.

Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Privacy is important because basically we all are, at least once a day, committing some kind of crime. I think that is the big issue we will see and have seen recently. Surveillance tools are better than ever in history. Many times, laws were created as deterrents to some behavior, that maybe shouldn't be laws, because it wasn't easy to nab everyone doing it. Back then cops, judges and more weren't as locked into f…

>An example might be the criminalization of drugs or old laws on the books. If we had arrested everyone that used cannabis half the country at least would have a record. If everyone has a record, no one has a record.

Really? If everyone has a record then they can be detained whenever the authorities feel like it.

Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>An example might be the criminalization of drugs or old laws on the books. If we had arrested everyone that used cannabis half the country at least would have a record. If everyone has a record, no one has a record.

Really? If everyone has a record then they can be detained whenever the authorities feel like it.

Do governments who use this kind of 'selective justice' really need the pretext of an actual law being broken?

I think what carlmr is saying is quite relevant to more democratic countries.

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Do foreigners have to give biometric information such as finger prints, facial data to the Chinese airport authorities when they visit China? Anyone?

I had my face scanned flying in to Beijing, then again all 10 of my fingerprints while crossing on foot from Hong Kong.

Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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Rob Lake's comment is pretty spot on (I'm taking the liberty to repost w/o his authorization): ""The app brings up the suspect’s vital information, including name, ethnicity, gender and address." Presumably version 2 of the app will also pop up the person's social credit score." That being said, this will definitely come to the west sooner or later. I mean, doesn't London already have cameras at every street corner f…

Most cameras in the U.K. are privately owned and operated with no central system.

After watching various films where organisations are able to pull up feeds from cameras absolutely anywhere in the world, I'm wondering how long it will be before there's a mandatory internet connection and back door on all 'security' cameras sold.

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Do you believe that the will of the Chinese Government is representative of the will of the Chinese citizenry?

Yes and no. By that I mean, I understand they don't have a political say. They don't get to "vote on the issues" like others might [the party makes those decisions]. At the same time, I would tend to think if you put the question to your Chinese on the street over there they will favor this technology (and its use) with a few conscientious objectors who will be few and far between.

Because overt conscientious objectors will have their social credit scores lowered. Do you not see the oppression? Does this not parallel the Soviet Union?

Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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I get why human rights orgs would want to speak against this technology, from a Western philosophy and law perspective. China does not have the same philosophical or legal lineage. They will have to find out on their own whether the cons outweigh the pros. Theoretically, if the system is not corrupted by misinformation (false or incomplete information), it has the potential to keep the streets free of wanted criminal…

This kind of tech has already come to Western ports of entry. Why else would Snap, Inc. have millions of dollars worth of contracts with Customs and Border Protection (alongside dozens of other contracts with DHS, DoD, etc). https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/fpdsportal?indexName=awardfull...

The SNAP Inc. in question is actually http://www.snapinc.net, an enterprise consultancy.

Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? If everyone has a record then they can be detained whenever the authorities feel like it.

Do governments who use this kind of 'selective justice' really need the pretext of an actual law being broken? I think what carlmr is saying is quite relevant to more democratic countries.

Even the most dictatorial countries operate on the basis that they need the consent of the governed.
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