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Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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Do you believe that the will of the Chinese Government is representative of the will of the Chinese citizenry?

Yes and no. By that I mean, I understand they don't have a political say. They don't get to "vote on the issues" like others might [the party makes those decisions]. At the same time, I would tend to think if you put the question to your Chinese on the street over there they will favor this technology (and its use) with a few conscientious objectors who will be few and far between.

That is probably due to a culture of fear

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I'm sorry, I do not understand the alarmist tone. Yes, in many cases the uses of tech in China are disturbing (like the supposedly planned social credit system). But this case? It's the job of the police to find people. Facial recognition helps it (although, I suspect, it won't be as flawless as advertised). How is it functionally different from the recognition tech in airports? Because the cops look scarier?

Even the police/government can contain bad actors, some might even like the cover.

The problem is when access to private data goes beyond the need, probabilistically people will abuse it, especially people with an authoritarian slant that are tripping on the power.

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I feel, once criminals realize this facial recognition thing, they will start using facemasks or some other new techniques

Given that some filters may throw the facial recognition off the scent, probably some kind of makeup or a combination of fake scars, different hairstyle, eye bags should be enough.

I saw Facebook misidentifying siblings of different gender with a year difference in age. The bone structure of their faces is similar, all the rest is different.

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I'm sorry, I do not understand the alarmist tone. Yes, in many cases the uses of tech in China are disturbing (like the supposedly planned social credit system). But this case? It's the job of the police to find people. Facial recognition helps it (although, I suspect, it won't be as flawless as advertised). How is it functionally different from the recognition tech in airports? Because the cops look scarier?

Even the police/government can contain bad actors, some might even like the cover. The problem is when access to private data goes beyond the need, probabilistically people will abuse it, especially people with an authoritarian slant that are tripping on the power.

So how is it different?

The police can access files online anyway, it's just a matter of convenience. Most likely, the online databases are now accessible on mobiles.

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I can't help but disagree with your 99.999% assessment. I feel like at best it might be 50%. At which point, it's horrible for society to be rolling the dice on every person in prison, if they should be there or not. I would refer you to the Innocence Project [0] for a useful exposition of wrongful convictions, and error rates therein. [0] https://www.innocenceproject.org/cases/

I don't know, I feel like neighborhoods where no one has outstanding warrants would be more desirable than neighborhoods with many.

Do we even know what an "outstanding warrant" consists of in China? Granted, I may be naieve about what it represents in the US, but I hope it's something that comes from a reasonably transparent and fair process. In a totalitarian state, it could mean something else.

The question becomes: Who is being rounded up, and why? This seems more important than the specific technology used.

I happen to live in a neighborhood where the very presence of a police officer would attract notice.

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Good, technology like this is good. Worrying about potential misuse of this technology is misplaced worry. Our concern is better placed on forming governments that will use this technology for the common good (whatever that is determined to be) than on the availability of the technology itself. It's not about the technology. It's about the will of the government. Think about all the horrendous evils rendered upon the…

There are technologies and programmes intended for good which have resulted in unambiguously bad outcomes.

Good intentions are not enough.

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Do foreigners have to give biometric information such as finger prints, facial data to the Chinese airport authorities when they visit China? Anyone?

I visited China on tourist visa in December (2017) and didn't have to give up any biometrics other than photos/videos from the cameras placed everywhere.

So yes you did via the photos

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I think we romanticize "being on the lamb". For the 99.999% of the time, if someone is a "wanted man", it's much better for society if he is apprehended. I don't see this as a threat. If, however, every innocent person were tracked, and crimes were generated based on observations ( like souped up red-light cameras for every imaginable crime ), and charges were created automatically ( and algorithmically ), that would…

Most people in the US are wanted for stupid stuff, like not being able to pay their parking fines.

Parking fines are generally on the car, not a person

Re: Chinese police don high-tech glasses to nab suspects

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Most people in the US are wanted for stupid stuff, like not being able to pay their parking fines.

Parking fines are generally on the car, not a person

Citation? Because that doesn't fit my understanding.
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