Live data from Hacker News

What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

nytimes.com

121–130 of 148 posts

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, not wanting your children to develop sexual relationships with computer screens is draconian.

It's the outright ban on wifi that feels draconian. How would you handle it?

I read an article a while ago about how a lot of silicon valley people disallow their kids internet access. It makes sense to me.

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've never let them have free reign to screens, whether computer or TV or phone, because there's a whole host of other problems that come from that. So it's not like we're taking internet away from them and that they're used to it. We've been teaching each one, the other they get, how to use computers and the internet responsibly, and we've always supervised to make sure they're not accidentally running into somethi…

No one knows how to better parent your kids than childless millenial software developers :)

Haha! I mean, fair. Obviously OP has the most information, so ultimately is probably best placed to make appropriate choices. I don't dispute that.

Childless millennial software developers (or otherwise generally technical) are in a better position to understand puberty in the modern internet driven landscape than someone who went through it 30 years ago, though. That's a relevant perspective here. . .no? The whole idea is to provide alternative perspectives, so that we can have the most information and thus (in theory) make the best choices, right?

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#123
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is not about addiction

In fact, the article explicitly points out there's no scientific evidence for "porn addiction" existing in the first place.

Well, the article states that the claim advanced by one of its subjects that there is no such evidence is a fact.

There is, however, considerable evidence that compulsive pornography use and other compulsive sexual behaviors, at a minimum, have many addiction-like features, though there is considerable debate about both the criteria to consider non-substance-use compulsive behavior as addiction and how particular compulsions fit any proposed criteria. Portraying the state of the science as “no scientific evidence of pornography addiction” is both strictly false and substantively misleading.

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#124
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the time, I see the puritanical christians going the route of "sex is evil". It's the unsaid thing as well, but they are also the ones pushing for "abstinence-only training". This is literally dumbing down discourse to students at an age who sorely needs it. I'd also be willing to bet that this family has no compunctions about letting the son watch extreme violent TV shows and movies. People being tortured, m…

the puritanical value isnt 'sex is evil' the puritanical value is 'sex should be enjoyed in marriage, monogamously' pornography is harmful to our brains, many studies have shown this. plenty of studies also show that people who have fewer sexual partners are ultimately happier in their sex life. and it doesnt take much thought to see that STDs would spread much more slowly if people were monogamous. lots of good thin…

The truth is the puritans enjoyed sex, just within the confines of marriage. Here is a brief article dispelling some of the myths, https://nypost.com/2016/10/21/the-puritans-really-loved-havi...

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the outright ban on wifi that feels draconian. How would you handle it?

I read an article a while ago about how a lot of silicon valley people disallow their kids internet access. It makes sense to me.

Does it? These kids are going into a world saturated by the Internet. Does it make sense to disallow Internet access and prevent them from participating in culture, education, entertainment, and pretty much everything else in life while their peers are getting ahead and they're left behind? This is one way to prepare kids for almost certain failure in our increasingly technology-based society.

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#126
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read an article a while ago about how a lot of silicon valley people disallow their kids internet access. It makes sense to me.

Does it? These kids are going into a world saturated by the Internet. Does it make sense to disallow Internet access and prevent them from participating in culture, education, entertainment, and pretty much everything else in life while their peers are getting ahead and they're left behind? This is one way to prepare kids for almost certain failure in our increasingly technology-based society.

Neither of us have any data here, but I really doubt this is true. I suspect that any deficiency in technical skills at, say, age 12, can quickly be overcome. But the downsides in terms of problems with social, emotional, and behavioral development from being exposed to technology 24/7 from a young age seems like it might be much more difficult to overcome.

My position is that moderate and supervised technology use from a young age probably is the best path, but if the choice was between two extremes of “unrestricted access from 0-10 years old” and “no access from 0-10”, I think the latter is the choice that I’d make. I highly doubt my kids would be at a long-term disadvantage.

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#127
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one knows how to better parent your kids than childless millenial software developers :)

Haha! I mean, fair. Obviously OP has the most information, so ultimately is probably best placed to make appropriate choices. I don't dispute that. Childless millennial software developers (or otherwise generally technical) are in a better position to understand puberty in the modern internet driven landscape than someone who went through it 30 years ago, though. That's a relevant perspective here. . .no? The whole i…

> Childless millennial software developers (or otherwise generally technical) are in a better position to understand puberty in the modern internet driven landscape than someone who went through it 30 years ago, though. That's a relevant perspective here. . .no?

I'm a millennial software developer who went through this exact thing 15 years ago. So we're in the same boat, the only difference being I have kids. And poker is a whole different game when you're not playing for keeps.

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#128
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read an article a while ago about how a lot of silicon valley people disallow their kids internet access. It makes sense to me.

Does it? These kids are going into a world saturated by the Internet. Does it make sense to disallow Internet access and prevent them from participating in culture, education, entertainment, and pretty much everything else in life while their peers are getting ahead and they're left behind? This is one way to prepare kids for almost certain failure in our increasingly technology-based society.

All of this stuff is accessible in real life, and in a fuller way. I don't think missing out on 1000s of hours of Instagram consumption is a particular disadvantage, especially if those 1000s of hours were spent actually hanging out with friends or playing sports etc.

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#129
post #104
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That only works if you have a SO, which isn't even necessarily what everyone wants.

Well sex kind of inherently requires an SO (however you choose to define "significant"), and porn inherently has to do with sex. Masturbation is trying to be your own SO, but sex inherently is a two-person job. I know these things are controversial these days, but they're pretty obvious and self-evident if you ignore recent ideologies and politics.

Ignoring your distasteful name for a moment; you have a very black-and-white view. 2 person job? Said who? 1 person sex, or 3 person sex, or more... Who says 2 is the only or even the best way?

Re: What Teenagers Are Learning from Online Porn

#130
post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, not wanting your children to develop sexual relationships with computer screens is draconian.

Not quite what I was saying. Not wanting anyone you care about to "develop sexual relationships with computer screens" is normal, I'd think. Mandating all levels of access to computer screens because of that desire is what's draconian, not the intent behind the mandate.

It's clearly not a response to the desire but a response to the action.
Post reply on HN