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Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by Keyframe »

gh02t wrote: post #72
dolguldur wrote: post #63

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

It's a bit depressing too, considering what the HP brand used to be. They used to be synonymous with the some of the most cutting-edge, best engineered test equipment and other electronics gear you could buy. Gear from that era like the legendary HP3458 multimeter still commands very high prices on the used market ($5000 or more if calibrated). Really that part of HP still exists at that level of quality, but they sp…

That HP still exists. It's called Agilent and Keysight now.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by Sophistifunk »

themagician wrote: post #128
dolguldur wrote: post #63

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

Is this really how people feel about HP? I've always associated HP with printers — the LaserJet line specifically. I still use them for just about everything. They've always struck me as well built and reliable. Pretty good network/web UI. I've used some of their large formats too and those have been pretty nice. Maybe I'm alone, but I'd trust HP to make a decent 3D printer.

I feel this way because I assosciate them with printers. Every possible touchpoint between customers and (all) providers in the printing space is unpleasant. They're constantly scamming people with pricing models, their software is terrible, both on-device interactions and drivers. They're terrible for the environment, as replacing your printer is often cheaper than buying more ink, and always cheaper than buying a replacement part, unless your printer cost several thousand dollars.

It's just... awful.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by mathgeek »

skate22 wrote: post #108
ballenf wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are companies that refuse to dilute their brand or sully their image: - BMW, Lexus - Tiffany's - Rolex Tech companies just think that they are immune to the market forces that keep other high end brands from skimming off the lower rungs (or at least doing it with their marquee brand). The examples are just the first ones from different markets that came to mind.

I feel like many tech companies have to support a much broader audience with more varient use cases than the companies you listed. Luxury watches sold by rollex only have to do a few things very well, and look nice. Some major tech companies are constantly under pressure to not only maintain quality of existing features, but to develop new features to stay competitive (all of this on updated hardware). Im not defendi…

> I feel like many tech companies have to support a much broader audience with more varient use cases than the companies you listed.

Perhaps the examples of BMW and Lexus, which were provided by the previous poster, would be a better comparison than Rolex for you? Car companies like those two, which focus their (multiple) brands for different levels of the market rather than diversifying the levels of the market covered by their brand, are a great example of keeping people thinking that one brand is "only for X type of buyer" while maintaining a presence across all corners of the market.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by gh02t »

Keyframe wrote: post #131
gh02t wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit depressing too, considering what the HP brand used to be. They used to be synonymous with the some of the most cutting-edge, best engineered test equipment and other electronics gear you could buy. Gear from that era like the legendary HP3458 multimeter still commands very high prices on the used market ($5000 or more if calibrated). Really that part of HP still exists at that level of quality, but they sp…

That HP still exists. It's called Agilent and Keysight now.

Yes, as I said, that part of the business is now Keysight for the electronic test equipment and Agilent, which focuses on life sciences equipment.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by mrmondo »

Very neat idea - but trust HP to incorporate a disposable, proprietary ink system with a product like this.

Reminds me of the infographic comparing the cost of HP's black ink to other liquids, the next most expensive shown (at half the price of the HP black ink) was human blood: https://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/ink-costs-more-th...

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by themagician »

Sophistifunk wrote: post #132
themagician wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this really how people feel about HP? I've always associated HP with printers — the LaserJet line specifically. I still use them for just about everything. They've always struck me as well built and reliable. Pretty good network/web UI. I've used some of their large formats too and those have been pretty nice. Maybe I'm alone, but I'd trust HP to make a decent 3D printer.

I feel this way because I assosciate them with printers. Every possible touchpoint between customers and (all) providers in the printing space is unpleasant. They're constantly scamming people with pricing models, their software is terrible, both on-device interactions and drivers. They're terrible for the environment, as replacing your printer is often cheaper than buying more ink, and always cheaper than buying a r…

That’s how I feel about inkjets, not HP. They are all crap though in my opinion. I had a few as a kid in the 90s but only ever bought one and then never again.

I’ve got HP LaserJets that are 10 or 15 years old and good as the day I bought them. The driver is built into most OSes.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by s0rce »

mschuster91 wrote: post #124
s4vi0r wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge part of why I refuse to switch to a non-macbook laptop, despite not being at all happy with the direction they've taken the pro in with the latest iteration.

The question is: why doesn't any laptop maker employ this technology aside from Apple? At least Samsung and Sony should have the competence in-house from their smartphone departments, so this should not be an issue with patents.

I have also wondered this. After I switched my thinkpad with a touchpoint to my macbook I can't stand using any variety of non-apply laptops. We have a few in the lab and its always a source of frustration. My Samsung and HTC phones all seemed to work fine so I agree this should be solved.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by foxylad »

I recently bought/built a really cheap 3D printer to see what it could do, and I'm finding it more useful and easier to use than I anticipated. I'd say it is the 3D equivalent of the dot-matrix printer, and this HP beast is the 3D equivalent of the first colour laser printers.

I think 3D printers will be a much smaller market than paper printers, because the number of things you need printed is much less than the number of pages we (used to) need printed.

And although this HP machine looks amazing at first sight, lets look at the specs: it does about three times the resolution of my 3D printer - and colour - for A THOUSAND times the price. (Anet A8 0.2mm resolution for $200; Jet Fusion 0.08mm resolution for $x00,000 according to comments below). OK, colour is cool, but you could employ an artist to hand-paint your creations for a tiny fraction of this cost.

I get that this is first to market, but I think they are missing an opportunity to price lower and build mindshare while they learn the lessons required to build the cash cow: a consumer machine that does twice the resolution for ten times the price.

And this needs to happen fast - Brother won't allow HP anywhere near the lead they got with laser printers last time around.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by fyfy18 »

justherefortart wrote: post #86
cptskippy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a LaserJet CP1525nw for ~$250. The "starter" cartridges lasted me just over 4 years. Refills for it cost $340. I bought a brand new LaserJet M452dn for $212.

My HP Color LaserJet cost me ~600. Bought the cartridges for another 175 each (x3) + 125 for the black one. The printer died at 1 year 1 month, never even got to use the $650 in cartridges. They're just sitting on my shelf as a reminder that I will never buy another HP product as long as I live.

I got a Dell MFD color laser printer a few years ago. The machine was around £150 and a replacement set of cartridges (3rd party - lasts around 1500 pages) is under £20. I’m not a heavy user, but for my occasional home use it’s great.

Last year I wanted to get another one for my office, but it turns out Dell got out of the printer business in 2016. Samsung sold their printer business to HP, so there’s now only really three companies making laser printers now: Brother, Xerox and HP.

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