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Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by sschueller »

bluedino wrote: post #71
dolguldur wrote: post #63

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

>> see hp and immediately think of bad business practices I see terrible, bloated drivers

Drivers that you may also need to pay for when upgrading your OS even though they only work with an HP device that you also paid a lot of money for.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by alexbeloi »

pacificmint wrote: post #68
dolguldur wrote: post #63

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

You seem to imply that they don't realize something might have impact in the future (because it's not what they measure). It's also possible that they are very aware of it, but just don't care. The modern corporate system, especially in the US, is set up to incentivize favoring short term results over the long term. If it will make their numbers look better this quarter at the cost of damaging the brand down the road…

The corporation is run by people and people favor short term results when they expect to be in their position for a short period.

Just as it's far less common for the regular working (wo)man to stay at the same company for decades, it's less common for CEOs to do so as well.[0]

If a CEO/president expects (through loyalty/control of the board, or otherwise) to be at the company for a long time, they will naturally make long(er) term decisions.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hewlett-Packard_execut...

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by justherefortart »

dolguldur wrote: post #63

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

I wouldn't buy an HP product if my alternative was to do everything by hand.

Garbage company, garbage products, and garbage management.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by blauditore »

dolguldur wrote: post #63

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

I have the same intuition, but was recently surprised about their laptops: Even though (or maybe because) they look like from last century they have pretty decent hardware connectivity (USB, video, ethernet etc.) and good linux support as well. It's boring but functional, like you'd expect from a business-oriented machine.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by delecti »

notatoad wrote: post #39
cptskippy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's anything like the rest of their printer line, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one than it will to refill the ink.

That has never been true, even for the cheapest consumer printers. The "starter" cartridges that printers come with only contain about 10% of the ink of a full cartridge.

It gets closer to true if you print very infrequently and buy the absolute cheapest of printers.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by justherefortart »

cptskippy wrote: post #48
notatoad wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has never been true, even for the cheapest consumer printers. The "starter" cartridges that printers come with only contain about 10% of the ink of a full cartridge.

I bought a LaserJet CP1525nw for ~$250. The "starter" cartridges lasted me just over 4 years. Refills for it cost $340. I bought a brand new LaserJet M452dn for $212.

My HP Color LaserJet cost me ~600. Bought the cartridges for another 175 each (x3) + 125 for the black one. The printer died at 1 year 1 month, never even got to use the $650 in cartridges. They're just sitting on my shelf as a reminder that I will never buy another HP product as long as I live.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by tostitos1979 »

blauditore wrote: post #84
dolguldur wrote: post #63

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

I have the same intuition, but was recently surprised about their laptops: Even though (or maybe because) they look like from last century they have pretty decent hardware connectivity (USB, video, ethernet etc.) and good linux support as well. It's boring but functional, like you'd expect from a business-oriented machine.

I got a spectre and was extremely disappointed. This is after getting the signature edition Windows so it would be bloatfree. The touchpad is really bad.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by amenod »

wyldfire wrote: post #12

Indeed, it's massive and expensive. But this probably falls in line with some of the floor space/capital budget of the earliest plotters or copier/scanner/printers. So maybe in ten years every office will have one.

Does every office need one? That's the main difference from 2D printing the way I see it - unless the printing process gets way better it will never catch on enough to warrant low prices. Then again, maybe they said the same about early printers, comparing them to offset press?

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by Aloha »

sschueller wrote: post #81
bluedino wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> see hp and immediately think of bad business practices I see terrible, bloated drivers

Drivers that you may also need to pay for when upgrading your OS even though they only work with an HP device that you also paid a lot of money for.

Citation?
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