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Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Is there any trend currently for young people or new college grads to avoid these huge manipulative companies like Facebook or Google? I honestly have no idea, I haven't talked to a student or recent grad in awhile, but after the events of the past 24 months I wonder what a 20 year old pondering internships thinks about all this? When I graduated in '98 the most "cool" thing was to work for the biggest name possible…

I'm currently a CS senior graduating this semester, and there's definitely still a draw for CS students to go work for the "Big N" and other large tech companies. That said, there are still students (me included) that don't want to work for those companies for various reasons, including not wanting to contribute to these companies' goal of "surveillance capitalism".

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get ebooks and read. [edit] sorry for being curt, but seriously: that can be all there is to it. It changed the way I use my phone.

Nah, I didn't think you were curt. This was my solution for a while. Problem is when I read I hate to stop mid sentence or paragraph. While if on FB, or HN I can close without a care. I may need to take up less serious reading material I guess, hah. I will probably go back to this, though. Any books you can recommend that helps fill those few minutes of void?

For light reading, I recommend:

Things My Girlfriend and I Have Argued About, by Mil Millington: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Things-Girlfriend-Have-Argued-About...

and form the acting world (but these are totally great to read on their own) I can recommend:

Awkward Conversations With Animals I've Fucked by Rob Hayes: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Awkward-Conversations-Animals-Fucke...

and The Truth, by Florian Zeller: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Truth-Florian-Zeller-ebook/dp/B01CV... (side splitting performance in London two years ago)

and if you're into it: http://www.hpmor.com/ . A bit fringe, but worth a shot if you've read the original books.

All of these are lighthearted and fun.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #28

With smartphones being ubiquitous, and we all have a few minutes here and there to spare...we just need to come up with a better and productive way to kill those time where you are idle. Any suggestions? Right now I'm waiting on my wife to get ready before we head out and spending it here on HN, but still, it's not productive.

Except this "productivity" you speak of is not productive.

So it's a false dichotomy between feeling like you are doing something and not "doing something". It's like buying a gym membership and saying you're fit now.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #28

With smartphones being ubiquitous, and we all have a few minutes here and there to spare...we just need to come up with a better and productive way to kill those time where you are idle. Any suggestions? Right now I'm waiting on my wife to get ready before we head out and spending it here on HN, but still, it's not productive.

Think, or meditate, or simply zone out. When I give myself the time to do this I end up more productive overall.

The problem isn’t just online. There’s so much noise (both visual and auditory) these days that you don’t really have time to simply muse outside your home (if there).

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #8

Facebook and other social media platforms might be heading for the type of reckoning the fast food industry had in the late 90s and early 2000s. http://marko.la/facebook-is-mcdonalds/

McDonalds is still a viable business. When Facebook goes, it will evaporate like MySpace did. And not a moment too soon.

There will always be a market for a dominant social media platform, just like there will always be a market for a dominant search provider, os, office suite, document interchange format, etc. All tech with a wide reach needs uniformity.

Whether or not we have reached the maturity with social media to make facebook as difficult to unseat as apple, adobe, microsoft, or google remains to be seen. But they will not just evaporate like the wonky myspace of old. Times have changed.

I personally think they have reached that level, and also do not use them because I greatly dislike social media in just about any form. But I am self-aware enough to know I am part of a tiny minority.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #8

Facebook and other social media platforms might be heading for the type of reckoning the fast food industry had in the late 90s and early 2000s. http://marko.la/facebook-is-mcdonalds/

I wonder how much the push back against McDonald's is class based. It's not healthy, but the same can be said for a lot of the food we eat. A lot of fast casual burgers, which seem to hold a higher position in the public perception, have more calories. Of course, overall health is more complicated than just calories, but it's worth pointing out since that's one of the main complaints against McDonald's (including in…

I though that too "oh no look at those chavs" at MacDonald's Supersize me also did not see what happened to you if you eat a full xmass dinner every day for a month did it.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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"It will be aimed at educating students, parents and teachers about the dangers of technology, including the depression that can come from heavy use of social media." So, treating the symptoms rather than the disease, and at any rate nothing to do with these companies' pervasive and invasive data practices. Maybe they still have positions in their former employers, I don't know, but following the money will have to b…

> So, treating the symptoms rather than the disease

If you want to convince people with the point you're trying to make you I suggest you address the why and come up with one or more alternative, viable solutions. IOW, in short you must be constructive and I gave two examples how.

What I quoted from you reminds me of Schneier's essay Data Is a Toxic Asset [1].

I'm not as intelligent as Bruce Schneier so instead of using my own interpretation I will quote his essay instead.

The relevant part in understanding the why:

> There are three reasons. The first is that we're in the middle of the hype cycle of big data. Companies and governments are still punch-drunk on data, and have believed the wildest of promises on how valuable that data is. The research showing that more data isn't necessarily better, and that there are serious diminishing returns when adding additional data to processes like personalized advertising, is just starting to come out.

> The second is that many organizations are still downplaying the risks. Some simply don't realize just how damaging a data breach would be. Some believe they can completely protect themselves against a data breach, or at least that their legal and public relations teams can minimize the damage if they fail. And while there's certainly a lot that companies can do technically to better secure the data they hold about all of us, there's no better security than deleting the data.

> The last reason is that some organizations understand both the first two reasons and are saving the data anyway. The culture of venture-capital-funded start-up companies is one of extreme risk taking. These are companies that are always running out of money, that always know their impending death date.

And some solutions:

> We can be smarter than this. We need to regulate what corporations can do with our data at every stage: collection, storage, use, resale and disposal. We can make corporate executives personally liable so they know there's a downside to taking chances. We can make the business models that involve massively surveilling people the less compelling ones, simply by making certain business practices illegal.

Some of his other essays as well as his most recent book Data and Goliath also covers the subject (and also addresses solutions though the solutions are unfortunately not easy; they're difficult). In one of the chapters he suggests taking a smartphone with you is a conscious choice and that we should shift from a default always taking it with you to seeing the pros and cons of such a decision.

[1] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_tox...

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #3

Nice idea but I think this is only really going to change when either the incentives change (i.e. not ad-based) or there’s legislation/regulation of some kind. Until then, the BigCos will keep doing what they’re doing, because that’s how everything is set up.

People are fleeing facebook in droves. Read last week's release. Something's gotta change, it's more of a debate as to what or how.

Yes for Facebook owned Instagram...

Meet the new boss.

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