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Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Cool, I'm in. That said, using a Facebook group as a way to "get involved" is on a whole new level of ironic.

I think it’s rather un-ironic. The central thesis is not that the technology itself is flawed, but that it needs to be done in a way that is more adaptive to the needs of humans. The best way to reach people is where they are, and people are overwhelmingly on Facebook.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. When will governments (EU?) step the hell up and regulate this huge part of our lives?

Why don't you regulate yourselves?

The article posted above was suggesting that Facebook is more a detriment to society than a plus. Society is typically safeguarded from toxic products through regulation. So, if Facebook is a perfectly engineered attention trap, you or I self-regulating, which plenty of us here do anyway, helps society in no meaningful way.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Is there any trend currently for young people or new college grads to avoid these huge manipulative companies like Facebook or Google? I honestly have no idea, I haven't talked to a student or recent grad in awhile, but after the events of the past 24 months I wonder what a 20 year old pondering internships thinks about all this? When I graduated in '98 the most "cool" thing was to work for the biggest name possible…

Not any meaningful trend that I have realized. Most kids still flock to the large companies. Working for them for the prestige and pay is always the aim for the super ambitious, but, with the fat checks they get, working for Facebook is just the beginning of compromising ethics.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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With smartphones being ubiquitous, and we all have a few minutes here and there to spare...we just need to come up with a better and productive way to kill those time where you are idle. Any suggestions? Right now I'm waiting on my wife to get ready before we head out and spending it here on HN, but still, it's not productive.

Just sit there and wait.

It's becoming a lost skill.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #28

With smartphones being ubiquitous, and we all have a few minutes here and there to spare...we just need to come up with a better and productive way to kill those time where you are idle. Any suggestions? Right now I'm waiting on my wife to get ready before we head out and spending it here on HN, but still, it's not productive.

Meditation and mindfulness can be used as a direct replacement for smartphone usage to kill time, in all such situations.

Seriously, this is a very good thing to do. All those annoying meditator-commenters on the Internet are right.

https://www.mindful.org/meditation/mindfulness-getting-start...

...but my most common smartphone time killer is reading long-form articles I've emailed to myself.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #28

With smartphones being ubiquitous, and we all have a few minutes here and there to spare...we just need to come up with a better and productive way to kill those time where you are idle. Any suggestions? Right now I'm waiting on my wife to get ready before we head out and spending it here on HN, but still, it's not productive.

Get ebooks and read. [edit] sorry for being curt, but seriously: that can be all there is to it. It changed the way I use my phone.

Nah, I didn't think you were curt. This was my solution for a while. Problem is when I read I hate to stop mid sentence or paragraph. While if on FB, or HN I can close without a care. I may need to take up less serious reading material I guess, hah. I will probably go back to this, though.

Any books you can recommend that helps fill those few minutes of void?

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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If the current technology services are like cigarettes, then the solution is to solve the disease and addiction problems, so people can smoke in a safe way. That's kind of what vaporizer technology is attempting.

Facebook and Google are built on old technology, and it's technology that we now know to have fundamental flaws.

The answer to out-dated bad technology is next-generation good technology. Technology is supposed to work for us, and to the extent it doesn't, that's a bug to be resolved.

No amount of warnings or education is going to solve the problem. No panicked response is necessary. If you want to fix the problem, just create, fund, and promote the new and improved technology.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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post #35
post #28

With smartphones being ubiquitous, and we all have a few minutes here and there to spare...we just need to come up with a better and productive way to kill those time where you are idle. Any suggestions? Right now I'm waiting on my wife to get ready before we head out and spending it here on HN, but still, it's not productive.

Install a chess app?

Can recommend Lichess [1], the puzzles are a lot of fun! I can also recommend Wordfeud (a Scrabble clone), and Duolingo (an interactive language-learning tool by professor Luis von Ahn (creator of reCAPTCHA)). But I can also recommend mindfulness, or listening to music which makes you relaxed such as classical or ambient music.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichess

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duolingo

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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> “The largest supercomputers in the world are inside of two companies — Google and Facebook — and where are we pointing them?” Mr. Harris said. “We’re pointing them at people’s brains, at children.” I'm not sure if I should be concerned that the leader of this initiative is wrong about something so trivial. https://www.top500.org/lists/2017/11/

You should be considered that you are intentionally missing the point by using an overly narrow and domain-irrelevant interpretation of "supercomputer". Do you think that the users of any of those supercomputers would turn down an offer to run their projects on Google or Facebook's fleet instead of their "one" supercomputer (given some time to adapt their software)

That's a good point. Thank you

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Is there any trend currently for young people or new college grads to avoid these huge manipulative companies like Facebook or Google? I honestly have no idea, I haven't talked to a student or recent grad in awhile, but after the events of the past 24 months I wonder what a 20 year old pondering internships thinks about all this? When I graduated in '98 the most "cool" thing was to work for the biggest name possible…

I have observed a dangerous sort of fashionable cynicism based on the (claimed) belief that things are so bad in general—in politics, in industry, and in society—that surely working for such a company, or on Wall Street, isn’t such a big deal. In other words, that this is just how things are.

In fact it seems like some sort of perversion of the Protestant ethic where instead of undeserved salvation being witnessed by material success through hard work, so-called intelligence and maturity—“ironically” acknowledged to be the fruits of privilege and good fortune—are evidenced by holding reactionary (“centrist”) views and by taking these sorts of jobs.

This accounts for many of the upper middle class new grads I see (kids who couldn’t guess how much their family earned within 100k and wouldn’t see that as unreasonable).

When it comes to lower income or many international students, there is definitely an advantage to the Google/Facebook brand on your resume, magnified when you are talking about using your resume overseas. And of course in that case or if you expect to have to pay medical bills for aging parents soon it is a grand sort of luxury to turn down such a job offer.

The consequence, ironically, is that both the fashionable cynics as well as the idealistic new grads who turn away from Google/Facebook thus end up being mostly affluent and (debatably) largely white. Go to the careers page of some social-good startup and check out their photos!

That covers the pull factors I’ve seen. In terms of push factors you have to also account for Google/Facebook just having an order of magnitude more recruiting money and brand recognition.

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