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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 12:12 AM UTC

phoneboy wrote: post #87

squarefoot wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it" There is more to it. Using apps instead of websites we're killing the whole concept of making information and services available using a standard protocol. That's like going back over 30 years, even before gopher. Then there is the cloud->mainframe similarity, with data and services being moved somewhere into the net where the use…

That's why we need decentralized solutions that break the hold the current centralized platforms have on us.

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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Turing_Machine » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 3:17 AM UTC

skinnymuch wrote: post #134

Turing_Machine wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you (and others) think that citing three (or even half a dozen) examples constitutes some kind of refutation of the general rule? There are somewhere over a billion web sites, dude. The number of those that are profitable with a subscription model (as opposed to being supported by advertising, or not being profitable at all ) is a rounding error -- in the fourth or fifth decimal place.

How many apps are profitable and of those how many are made by independent people?

More than one out of 50 million, you can bet.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by jimrandomh » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 5:33 AM UTC

igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

For an app which demands as much trust as Telegram does, that level of intrigue is pretty scary.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by ohiovr » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 6:41 AM UTC

Isn't LibreTaxi based on telegram? My brother expressed an interest in making his own one man cab company and i mentioned alternatives to uber and lyft and one of them was libretaxi. I had no knowledge of what it did or how it worked but we were looking at it literally just the other day and now it is gone. My brother can't use lyft because he doesn't have a good enough car for them and uber doesn't cater to our small town. So scrach libretaxi off too.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Doxin » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 9:07 AM UTC

morganvachon wrote: post #138

Animats wrote: post #102

Because it allows users to send inappropriate content? What next, automatic voice censorship? That's technically feasible now.

It may have been triggered by one of the sets of "stickers" available as alternatives to emoji. I've browsed through them and while they all seem PG-13 or tamer to me, I can see how someone with sensitivity towards suggestive cartoons would be offended. There are a few with female cartoons showing cleavage, and at least one that is obviously targeted at furries.

As far as I can tell anyone can create a set of stickers. There's much worse out there than just cleavage or furries.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by morganvachon » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 12:32 PM UTC

Doxin wrote: post #145

morganvachon wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may have been triggered by one of the sets of "stickers" available as alternatives to emoji. I've browsed through them and while they all seem PG-13 or tamer to me, I can see how someone with sensitivity towards suggestive cartoons would be offended. There are a few with female cartoons showing cleavage, and at least one that is obviously targeted at furries.

As far as I can tell anyone can create a set of stickers. There's much worse out there than just cleavage or furries.

Yes but don't they have to be submitted to Telegram for acceptance? That's what it says in the "Stickers" section of Settings. Then again, maybe they accept all submissions by default and depend on the community to self-police.

Anyway, all I ever see are the "trending" ones in the app's interface. I wouldn't know where to look beyond that (and I don't use them so I don't care to look for them anyway).

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Proof » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 2:12 PM UTC

debt wrote: post #115

igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

Apple would be held liable if someone uses Telegram to coordinate a terrorist attack or if it's used for human trafficking or whatever highly illegal activity it could be used for. Potentially both in the court of law and the court of public opinion; the latter Apple has no control over. It's just not worth it financially for Apple to assume that liability.

So I could you liable (by your own creation argument) for having a car of yours(hypothetically you are a Owner of a car dealer) be used in a hit and run? That does really sound like a world you want to live in mate?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by iamnothere » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 4:13 PM UTC

mahemm wrote: post #65

Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten recently, I feel it's unethical to let a Telegram post pass without a reminder that they don't even bother to encrypt group chats, and that there is still no proof whatsoever that their protocol is secure.

Does every post about Signal or Telegram have to turn into a Signal vs Telegram flame war? What is the relevance of your comment to this post?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by debt » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

debt wrote: post #115

igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

Apple would be held liable if someone uses Telegram to coordinate a terrorist attack or if it's used for human trafficking or whatever highly illegal activity it could be used for. Potentially both in the court of law and the court of public opinion; the latter Apple has no control over. It's just not worth it financially for Apple to assume that liability.

This seems controversial, but my original point stands. If Apple believes they may be liable for providing access to Telegram, then maybe that's why they removed it in the first place.

Y'all are right, there a probably very could counterarguments to that, but I don't think that makes Apple potentially any less liable.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by vesak » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 6:16 PM UTC

theon144 wrote: post #73

nailer wrote: post #55

From the article: > Telegram has risen in popularity thanks to its focus on advanced security features and the ability to hold secret conversations with end-to-end encryption. Isn't this wrong? I thought Telegram was famous for decrypting messages in transit.

Nah; their biggest security blunder is: a) The secure chats are opt-in b) Their (own) protocol hasn't been audited yet. But it's a still valuable privacy-oriented app.

c) Group chats cannot be secured