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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

Ahh the App Store. It's just like the Play Store, except no viruses, far fewer scam apps, and there's a legitimate and thriving market for paid apps.

Your comment seems a bit neurotic. Nobody was even talking about Apple vs Android.

It's always been Apple vs The Rest Of The World.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh the App Store. It's just like the Play Store, except no viruses, far fewer scam apps, and there's a legitimate and thriving market for paid apps.

This is not a matter of saying that a bad thing is good just because the counterpart is worse, I think that the dialog have to go a bit beyond that point. We lost control of the communication channels for the internet, it was meant to be free. This is the important topic.

In what sense is the app store a part of "the communication channels for the internet"?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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post #55

From the article: > Telegram has risen in popularity thanks to its focus on advanced security features and the ability to hold secret conversations with end-to-end encryption. Isn't this wrong? I thought Telegram was famous for decrypting messages in transit.

Nah; their biggest security blunder is: a) The secure chats are opt-in b) Their (own) protocol hasn't been audited yet.

But it's a still valuable privacy-oriented app.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but will not pay for web sites. Subscriptions to web-based services don't count as paying for web sites?

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

And all those magazines and newspapers also have apps, yet that hasn’t somehow led to floods of money pouring into their coffers.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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post #65

Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten recently, I feel it's unethical to let a Telegram post pass without a reminder that they don't even bother to encrypt group chats, and that there is still no proof whatsoever that their protocol is secure.

> Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten about security flaws

Sorry, what? Can you show me where Signal has been implicated in flaws? There are some stories about security agencies bypassing Signal, but that is true on any hardware platform you didn't wire-wrap yourself.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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There may be political motive to this.

Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"?

Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership pursuant to VKontakte 'purchase'.

Telegram Messenger LLP however is based in London and seemingly wholly owned by Durov crew. In 2014, Telegram Messenger LLP launched Telegram HD, a separate app from Telegram-LLC-issued-Telegram. Now it is launching Telegram X , another separate app (which was until very recently Challegram, an open source Telegram client, winner of Telegram contest, and purchased by Durov) .

Draw your own conclusions.

EDITED for clarity and details

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/the-telegram-lawsuits-ex...

http://www.ewdn.com/2014/07/29/pavel-durov-has-cloned-telegr...

https://rusletter.com/articles/ucp_requires_to_recognize_tel...

http://www.frandroid.com/android/applications/securite-appli...

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

Ahh the App Store. It's just like the Play Store, except no viruses, far fewer scam apps, and there's a legitimate and thriving market for paid apps.

The problem I have with the App Store or Play Store or any of their ilk is that they are taking over the public space and making it a private space.

Imagine a city where public parks are all bought out by private entities, that is the Internet right now.

We have less and less public space in the digital world and that is not looking good for the future of democracy.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

"except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it"

There is more to it. Using apps instead of websites we're killing the whole concept of making information and services available using a standard protocol. That's like going back over 30 years, even before gopher. Then there is the cloud->mainframe similarity, with data and services being moved somewhere into the net where the user has no control over his/her own data, and the whole email/usenet->social media migration which puts private and public communications in the hands of corporations having no intention of guaranteeing interoperability with competing systems.

Basically the industry screwed 40+ years of IT development, not just in a technical way, but they did it behind shiny graphics and animated emoticons, so nobody really cares.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a matter of saying that a bad thing is good just because the counterpart is worse, I think that the dialog have to go a bit beyond that point. We lost control of the communication channels for the internet, it was meant to be free. This is the important topic.

In what sense is the app store a part of "the communication channels for the internet"?

The app store isn't. Apps are.
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