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Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

addicted wrote: post #70
ufo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't that the vetted app store exists. It is that the vetted app store controlled by the device manufacturer is the only way you are allowed to install applications

iPhone users (like myself) need to look no further than the Mac to see what a better alternative might be. The Mac only allows App Store or signed apps to be installed by default. However this setting can be toggled to allow any apps for those who need that. You can also toggle it to allow only vetted App Store apps if that’s what you prefer. Apple could keep the default to what it is on the iPhone right now, but sho…

And Android has done it that way from Day 1.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by SauciestGNU »

thanatropism wrote: post #28

Every social network has a "weird" subset. "Weird facebook" is circularly-referencing visual memes. Weird Telegram is people who mix their Deleuze and Bataille and come up with something like the Andy Kaufmann version of witchcraft mysticism. I mean, it's awesome.

Never used telegram but that sounds interesting. Are there public channels for this sort of thing?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by m12k »

squarefoot wrote: post #79
pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

"except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it" There is more to it. Using apps instead of websites we're killing the whole concept of making information and services available using a standard protocol. That's like going back over 30 years, even before gopher. Then there is the cloud->mainframe similarity, with data and services being moved somewhere into the net where the use…

> Using apps instead of websites we're killing the whole concept of making information and services available using a standard protocol

I think the interesting thing to note here is that for most end users a standard protocol is not nearly as appealing as a standard user interface. Like how most iOS apps follow common navigation paradigms, so users don't need to spend time learning each new one. And how people tend to prefer buying things on Amazon instead of any random webshop. And how WeChat has almost become a little web of its own with custom chat UIs for e.g. ordering pizza. If open software for consumers is ever to stop being beaten by these walled gardens, it needs to get a ton more UX people involved and focus on the end user UX, not just the technical implementation.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by alex_hitchins »

ufo wrote: post #58
alex_hitchins wrote: post #52

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This is a big plus for me. A vetted walled garden where I can give things a try without much fear of nasties is a big plus.

The problem isn't that the vetted app store exists. It is that the vetted app store controlled by the device manufacturer is the only way you are allowed to install applications

My point being I knew that before I bought my iPhones/iPad. I actively like there being the one well kept store where things are verified and that apps can only be installed through. Granted not everyone will feel this way and I guess Android offers them more freedom in this respect.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by s0adex »

phoneboy wrote: post #87
squarefoot wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it" There is more to it. Using apps instead of websites we're killing the whole concept of making information and services available using a standard protocol. That's like going back over 30 years, even before gopher. Then there is the cloud->mainframe similarity, with data and services being moved somewhere into the net where the use…

That's why we need decentralized solutions that break the hold the current centralized platforms have on us.

Not every user is smart. That's why there is a necessity for centralized/trusted solution. I wouldn't sleep well if I knew my mom could install a malware by mistake on appstore. Unfortunately, life is not this simple and every path there's a toll.

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Post by beart »

emsy wrote: post #88
mahemm wrote: post #65

Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten recently, I feel it's unethical to let a Telegram post pass without a reminder that they don't even bother to encrypt group chats, and that there is still no proof whatsoever that their protocol is secure.

You are a murderer and I still have seen no proof whatsoever that you are innocent.

You don't trust your children with a complete stranger until you know a little about how they operate.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by elif »

artificial wrote: post #10
lj3 wrote: post #5

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> but will not pay for web sites. Subscriptions to web-based services don't count as paying for web sites?

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

Confidence in news is also an ever shrinking pie.

Not a great example.

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Post by vonmoltke »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #62
Frank2312 wrote: post #16

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Netflix (and other similar platforms), Amazon Prime, Twitch subscriptions. Those are only 3 examples a ton of people pay for. If you provide a good service, you will get subscribers. News have been available for free for decades thanks to OTA TV broadcasts. That's why people don't pay for it. Niche journalism needs to have subscriptions since they can have way less views and people looking for news on that niche are…

What makes you (and others) think that citing three (or even half a dozen) examples constitutes some kind of refutation of the general rule? There are somewhere over a billion web sites, dude. The number of those that are profitable with a subscription model (as opposed to being supported by advertising, or not being profitable at all ) is a rounding error -- in the fourth or fifth decimal place.

The number of apps in all app stores combined that are profitable from store sales is also likely a rounding error.

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Post by cjsuk »

m45t3r wrote: post #61
danpalmer wrote: post #6

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Ahh the App Store. It's just like the Play Store, except no viruses, far fewer scam apps, and there's a legitimate and thriving market for paid apps.

Well, there is advantages in Android approach too: as far I remember in App Store there is no emulators thanks to the stricter policies of Apple, while Play Store have genuine emulators for tons of gaming consoles. And you can also sideload apps without needing of jailbreak, allowing the use of interesting apps that for some reason is not allowed in Play Store (for example, NewPipe, a alternative YouTube client with…

No BitTorrent clients in the App Store either. So I have to watch everything on openload instead.
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